NJS 3985 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 With Greece it's too early days to judge. With us stimulating growth and slightly reducing that fucking huge deficit Labour decided would be a good idea. "Let's get all those tramps and wankers and give them more money than minimum wage on the dole, then they can have more kids and cans, brilliant idea!" The defecit was caused by falling revenues caused by a recession whose global roots were in the US - yet another one falling for the media propaganda - are you CT's son? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Then I may be respected by the world because age is the only factor in whether your views on anything is valid. As you get older, you'll realise this more & more. Haha yeah. Just like the opposite of sports/appearances I guess. Not that i'm athletic/aesthetic. And to be honest alex, I genuinely believe the current government is going at the situation rightly (this coming from a student). The IMF have praised our way of sorting ourselves out, and we avoid the problems of most of Europe, the Greeks being primary examples of people that have spent too much. The IMF don't care about the people whose lives are wrecked in the process though. The situation in Greece is nothing like the situation in the UK either. Of course it's not, but it's still good to judge on. The nations slowly growing, and we're getting out of our mess bit by bit. Rome wasn't built in a day. Have the cuts in Greece helped stimulate growth there? Are they doing the same here or are they preventing growth? With Greece it's too early days to judge. With us stimulating growth and slightly reducing that fucking huge deficit Labour decided would be a good idea. "Let's get all those tramps and wankers and give them more money than minimum wage on the dole, then they can have more kids and cans, brilliant idea!" That benefit culture started under the Tories. Labour didn't improve matters but I suppose it's hard to make people work. I'd be very surprised if the current government can reverse the trend Thatcher started. That has virtually nothing to do with the question I posed though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleeToonFan 1 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 With Greece it's too early days to judge. With us stimulating growth and slightly reducing that fucking huge deficit Labour decided would be a good idea. "Let's get all those tramps and wankers and give them more money than minimum wage on the dole, then they can have more kids and cans, brilliant idea!" The defecit was caused by falling revenues caused by a recession whose global roots were in the US - yet another one falling for the media propaganda - are you CT's son? The deficit was there before the recession. You think we just lost trillions all of a sudden? The recession just showed how bad it could become. I know that it was easier to go on the dole than get a minimum wage job under labour, and I know that it paid more. That's not media propaganda, neither is the fact that Labour governments generally cause deficits. Most of the media has been pro-Labour for most of my life, I don't read red-tops so I wouldn't know what they're like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 With Greece it's too early days to judge. With us stimulating growth and slightly reducing that fucking huge deficit Labour decided would be a good idea. "Let's get all those tramps and wankers and give them more money than minimum wage on the dole, then they can have more kids and cans, brilliant idea!" The defecit was caused by falling revenues caused by a recession whose global roots were in the US - yet another one falling for the media propaganda - are you CT's son? The deficit was there before the recession. You think we just lost trillions all of a sudden? The recession just showed how bad it could become. I know that it was easier to go on the dole than get a minimum wage job under labour, and I know that it paid more. That's not media propaganda, neither is the fact that Labour governments generally cause deficits. Most of the media has been pro-Labour for most of my life, I don't read red-tops so I wouldn't know what they're like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleeToonFan 1 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Then I may be respected by the world because age is the only factor in whether your views on anything is valid. As you get older, you'll realise this more & more. Haha yeah. Just like the opposite of sports/appearances I guess. Not that i'm athletic/aesthetic. And to be honest alex, I genuinely believe the current government is going at the situation rightly (this coming from a student). The IMF have praised our way of sorting ourselves out, and we avoid the problems of most of Europe, the Greeks being primary examples of people that have spent too much. The IMF don't care about the people whose lives are wrecked in the process though. The situation in Greece is nothing like the situation in the UK either. Of course it's not, but it's still good to judge on. The nations slowly growing, and we're getting out of our mess bit by bit. Rome wasn't built in a day. Have the cuts in Greece helped stimulate growth there? Are they doing the same here or are they preventing growth? With Greece it's too early days to judge. With us stimulating growth and slightly reducing that fucking huge deficit Labour decided would be a good idea. "Let's get all those tramps and wankers and give them more money than minimum wage on the dole, then they can have more kids and cans, brilliant idea!" That benefit culture started under the Tories. Labour didn't improve matters but I suppose it's hard to make people work. I'd be very surprised if the current government can reverse the trend Thatcher started. That has virtually nothing to do with the question I posed though. I thought I answered that question? It stimulates growth and picks at the deficit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3985 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I thought I answered that question? It stimulates growth and picks at the deficit. They are completly relying on a depressed private sector stimulating growth - if it doesn't thay are proud there's no plan b. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Then I may be respected by the world because age is the only factor in whether your views on anything is valid. As you get older, you'll realise this more & more. Haha yeah. Just like the opposite of sports/appearances I guess. Not that i'm athletic/aesthetic. And to be honest alex, I genuinely believe the current government is going at the situation rightly (this coming from a student). The IMF have praised our way of sorting ourselves out, and we avoid the problems of most of Europe, the Greeks being primary examples of people that have spent too much. The IMF don't care about the people whose lives are wrecked in the process though. The situation in Greece is nothing like the situation in the UK either. Of course it's not, but it's still good to judge on. The nations slowly growing, and we're getting out of our mess bit by bit. Rome wasn't built in a day. Have the cuts in Greece helped stimulate growth there? Are they doing the same here or are they preventing growth? With Greece it's too early days to judge. With us stimulating growth and slightly reducing that fucking huge deficit Labour decided would be a good idea. "Let's get all those tramps and wankers and give them more money than minimum wage on the dole, then they can have more kids and cans, brilliant idea!" That benefit culture started under the Tories. Labour didn't improve matters but I suppose it's hard to make people work. I'd be very surprised if the current government can reverse the trend Thatcher started. That has virtually nothing to do with the question I posed though. I thought I answered that question? It stimulates growth and picks at the deficit. How? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3985 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 The deficit was there before the recession. You think we just lost trillions all of a sudden? The recession just showed how bad it could become. Manageable and completely supported penny for penny by the opposition. How come all the other countries were affected without nasty Labour governments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleeToonFan 1 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I thought I answered that question? It stimulates growth and picks at the deficit. They are completly relying on a depressed private sector stimulating growth - if it doesn't thay are proud there's no plan b. Hasn't manufactoring/building gone up loads since the new government? Also, that's not entirely true, the government have some decent schemes, around our end they're completely rejuvenating the port and creating jobs for the lower classes there. I dunno about where you are but our entire town is picking itself up. I'm not even a Conservative either by the way, i'm just happy with the way they're dealing with things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I thought I answered that question? It stimulates growth and picks at the deficit. They are completly relying on a depressed private sector stimulating growth - if it doesn't thay are proud there's no plan b. Hasn't manufactoring/building gone up loads since the new government? Also, that's not entirely true, the government have some decent schemes, around our end they're completely rejuvenating the port and creating jobs for the lower classes there. I dunno about where you are but our entire town is picking itself up. I'm not even a Conservative either by the way, i'm just happy with the way they're dealing with things. Figures to support that please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CleeToonFan 1 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 The deficit was there before the recession. You think we just lost trillions all of a sudden? The recession just showed how bad it could become. Manageable and completely supported penny for penny by the opposition. How come all the other countries were affected without nasty Labour governments? America hadn't had a year in the black since George Bush came to power (mostly due to the wars i'd presume). Most of Europe did have Labour governments (Greece once again as an easy example) and most of Europe has more socialist policies than the UK, retiring earlier etc. I might add that of course the banking collapse was an awful factor, i'm not denying that you can't just say it's all down to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3985 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I thought I answered that question? It stimulates growth and picks at the deficit. They are completly relying on a depressed private sector stimulating growth - if it doesn't thay are proud there's no plan b. Hasn't manufactoring/building gone up loads since the new government? Also, that's not entirely true, the government have some decent schemes, around our end they're completely rejuvenating the port and creating jobs for the lower classes there. I dunno about where you are but our entire town is picking itself up. I'm not even a Conservative either by the way, i'm just happy with the way they're dealing with things. You need to look beyond your town - I don't live in the NE anymore bu that doesn't stop me from knowing or caring about what goes on there and in the rest of the country. As it happens the Tories are nicely supporting my "Industry" as they are their paymasters but that doesn't mean I can't see how the rest will suffer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26441 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I thought I answered that question? It stimulates growth and picks at the deficit. They are completly relying on a depressed private sector stimulating growth - if it doesn't thay are proud there's no plan b. Hasn't manufactoring/building gone up loads since the new government? Also, that's not entirely true, the government have some decent schemes, around our end they're completely rejuvenating the port and creating jobs for the lower classes there. I dunno about where you are but our entire town is picking itself up. I'm not even a Conservative either by the way, i'm just happy with the way they're dealing with things. Figures to support that please. Slowly recovering would be a better way to put it. http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=198 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleeToonFan 1 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I thought I answered that question? It stimulates growth and picks at the deficit. They are completly relying on a depressed private sector stimulating growth - if it doesn't thay are proud there's no plan b. Hasn't manufactoring/building gone up loads since the new government? Also, that's not entirely true, the government have some decent schemes, around our end they're completely rejuvenating the port and creating jobs for the lower classes there. I dunno about where you are but our entire town is picking itself up. I'm not even a Conservative either by the way, i'm just happy with the way they're dealing with things. You need to look beyond your town - I don't live in the NE anymore bu that doesn't stop me from knowing or caring about what goes on there and in the rest of the country. As it happens the Tories are nicely supporting my "Industry" as they are their paymasters but that doesn't mean I can't see how the rest will suffer. I am! I was just using it as an example, I won't even be living here come September anyway. As for figures, i'll have to check up on google, it was from what i'd read earlier in the year on bbc.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3985 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I might add that of course the banking collapse was an awful factor, i'm not denying that you can't just say it's all down to that. It had infinitely more to do with it than any number of people on benefits which by the way was tiny compared with the recent Tory past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26441 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 The deficit was there before the recession. You think we just lost trillions all of a sudden? The recession just showed how bad it could become. Manageable and completely supported penny for penny by the opposition. How come all the other countries were affected without nasty Labour governments? America hadn't had a year in the black since George Bush came to power (mostly due to the wars i'd presume). Most of Europe did have Labour governments (Greece once again as an easy example) and most of Europe has more socialist policies than the UK, retiring earlier etc. I might add that of course the banking collapse was an awful factor, i'm not denying that you can't just say it's all down to that. As NJS said, the Conservatives didn't oppose Labour spending. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6975536.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I thought I answered that question? It stimulates growth and picks at the deficit. They are completly relying on a depressed private sector stimulating growth - if it doesn't thay are proud there's no plan b. Hasn't manufactoring/building gone up loads since the new government? Also, that's not entirely true, the government have some decent schemes, around our end they're completely rejuvenating the port and creating jobs for the lower classes there. I dunno about where you are but our entire town is picking itself up. I'm not even a Conservative either by the way, i'm just happy with the way they're dealing with things. Figures to support that please. Slowly recovering would be a better way to put it. http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=198 I'd be amazed if building wasn't still completely on its arse like. Not saying that's the Tories (or just the Tories) to blame. It just seemed like the contrary was an unlikely claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Seems to be a bit of a contradiction here like, advocating job cuts in the public sector whilst railing against having people on benefits. Cake and eat it time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 The Labour tramps comment sort of rules out any sense of objective perspective on your part like. There were virtually no strikes under the last Labour government btw Of course not, why would there need to be when we're borrowing that much money that everyone thinks life will be perfect? Let's put too much money into the civil service and then when the shit hits the fan we can blame everyone else, genius! No offence to any civil servants btw, it's not your fault you got such an easy ride. It's like finding a long lost son! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleeToonFan 1 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I might add that of course the banking collapse was an awful factor, i'm not denying that you can't just say it's all down to that. It had infinitely more to do with it than any number of people on benefits which by the way was tiny compared with the recent Tory past. When have I denied that! I just said that that sort of thing didn't help! I'm also not a Conservative I might add once more so I don't care if they were for it, I was against it. I hate partisan people who think "Labour did it and I like Labour, it must be right" or "Disagree with everything Labour say because i'm a Conservative". If I agree with something I will agree with it regardless of who did it, hence i'm a fan of a small welfare state just not one that's become out of hand. I genuinely believe that even small growth is good as long as we're getting rid of the deficit, which is of crucial importance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 The Labour tramps comment sort of rules out any sense of objective perspective on your part like. There were virtually no strikes under the last Labour government btw Of course not, why would there need to be when we're borrowing that much money that everyone thinks life will be perfect? Let's put too much money into the civil service and then when the shit hits the fan we can blame everyone else, genius! No offence to any civil servants btw, it's not your fault you got such an easy ride. It's like finding a long lost son! He at least puts together a reasoned argument though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleeToonFan 1 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 The Labour tramps comment sort of rules out any sense of objective perspective on your part like. There were virtually no strikes under the last Labour government btw Of course not, why would there need to be when we're borrowing that much money that everyone thinks life will be perfect? Let's put too much money into the civil service and then when the shit hits the fan we can blame everyone else, genius! No offence to any civil servants btw, it's not your fault you got such an easy ride. It's like finding a long lost son! He at least puts together a reasoned argument though. Wahay! Anyway, we're all pissing into the wind here. Out of all of this, my main point is that i'd rather GDP grow slower and the deficit to be reduced more than a rapidly rising GDP and also a rapidly rising deficit. http://pragmaticgovernment.blogspot.com/20...-vs-growth.html Just found this online and it pretty much agrees with what I say. Neither party is perfect as it shows, and as an outsider to both parties I think I can appreciate what both of them do, and like I say I have the local bias that Labour fucked up my towns industry, just like you do with the Conservatives fucking up the North Easts industry. Swings and roundabouts. I can trust the Conservatives more with the economy, and thats the reason I got into this long-winded debate that changed nobodys minds and just caused everyone to be pissed off at each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 With Greece it's too early days to judge. With us stimulating growth and slightly reducing that fucking huge deficit Labour decided would be a good idea. "Let's get all those tramps and wankers and give them more money than minimum wage on the dole, then they can have more kids and cans, brilliant idea!" The defecit was caused by falling revenues caused by a recession whose global roots were in the US - yet another one falling for the media propaganda - are you CT's son? Lol, I just said that! It's quite refreshing to see such wisdom in one so young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3985 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 The Labour tramps comment sort of rules out any sense of objective perspective on your part like. There were virtually no strikes under the last Labour government btw Of course not, why would there need to be when we're borrowing that much money that everyone thinks life will be perfect? Let's put too much money into the civil service and then when the shit hits the fan we can blame everyone else, genius! No offence to any civil servants btw, it's not your fault you got such an easy ride. It's like finding a long lost son! He at least puts together a reasoned argument though. Wahay! Anyway, we're all pissing into the wind here. Out of all of this, my main point is that i'd rather GDP grow slower and the deficit to be reduced more than a rapidly rising GDP and also a rapidly rising deficit. http://pragmaticgovernment.blogspot.com/20...-vs-growth.html Just found this online and it pretty much agrees with what I say. Neither party is perfect as it shows, and as an outsider to both parties I think I can appreciate what both of them do, and like I say I have the local bias that Labour fucked up my towns industry, just like you do with the Conservatives fucking up the North Easts industry. Swings and roundabouts. I can trust the Conservatives more with the economy, and thats the reason I got into this long-winded debate that changed nobodys minds and just caused everyone to be pissed off at each other How did Labour fuck up your town out of interest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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