Monroe Transfer 0 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Same with Ted Bundy. The most promising, charming chap you could hope to meet. Oh, you knew him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 36083 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Found it cheers... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18900384 I'll have to have a read of the ONS stats linked to Course you would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_273169.pdf The BBC report is not a like for like comparison. Shows total numbers of murders (which you'd expect to fluctuate in line with population) rather than murder rate per million, a rise in which would suggest more "evil". Data does show murder rates per million people were at a 100 year peak in 1995 and the total number of murders were at a 45 year peak in 2002. That drop off in total numbers is interesting over the last ten years or so, What do you think that abrupt change in a 100 year trend can be attributed to? Could it not just be a 5 year grouping of outliers on the low side, following a five year group of outliers on the high side between 2000-2005, while the overall trend remains upwards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Course you would. How could anyone reading the thread not be drawn to the 90 page pdf discussing the numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13915 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 I have to return some video tapes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18229 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 (edited) http://www.ons.gov.u...1778_273169.pdf The BBC report is not a like for like comparison. Shows total numbers of murders (which you'd expect to fluctuate in line with population) rather than murder rate per million, a rise in which would suggest more "evil". Data does show murder rates per million people were at a 100 year peak in 1995 and the total number of murders were at a 45 year peak in 2002. That drop off in total numbers is interesting over the last ten years or so, What do you think that abrupt change in a 100 year trend can be attributed to? Could it not just be a 5 year grouping of outliers on the low side, following a five year group of outliers on the high side between 2000-2005, while the overall trend remains upwards? The population has risen significantly though so if anything the decrease in murders should be more exaggerated. I think the graph perfectly illustrates that the perception we live in violent, homicidal times is just that - a perception not based on reality. The perception that the crime rate has risen is almost certainly down to media bullshit anyway. I'm sure burglary and twocking aren't anything like they were 20 years ago. Sorry but I can't be arsed to trawl through ONS data to find out for sure. Edited August 15, 2012 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9313 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Good and Evil are just social constructs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14166 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Same with Ted Bundy. The most promising, charming chap you could hope to meet. Oh, you knew him? No, but he hoped to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniffer 0 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Is there a difference between murder rates and manslaughter rates and how does that affect stats overall of people who kill others? For example, that report in the paper yesterday about David Moore kicking McGeorge to death back in March for spilling a few drops on his trainers. He pled guilty to manslaughter. FFS, he kicked a man to death if thats not murder, I don't know what is. But then again applying common sense is not part of the law. I'm sure admitting that he did it and pleading to m/slaughter...even though it was cut and dried that he killed him.... will shave a good few years off his sentence... so will that lower murder rate stats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniffer 0 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 And make murder rates look lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18229 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 I'd guess you'd need to prove intent for murder to apply but afaik this has always been the case so won't affect the year on year stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniffer 0 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 In the last ten years have we gone easier on murder and allowed it to be called manslaughter? I wonder if, in 1960, that would've been considered murder. Now we just can't be arsed to go the extra yard to prove as the police are too busy with major crime like the John Terry case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 The numbers include manslaughter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniffer 0 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Well that puts that theory to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted August 15, 2012 Author Share Posted August 15, 2012 Surely the widespread use of Citv, DNA evidence all well explained in various cop shows, would put the borderline would be murderer / rapist off more now than in previous years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6139 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 People do crazy shit. I spent 40hrs pw with murderers, rapists and paedophiles in my last job. I laughed and joked with them, played football with them, took them to the pictures. For all intents and purposes they were normal kids in that controlled environment. Some were intrinsically evil, some were a product of their environment. I worked with one lass who had been passed around as a baby to be raped by her dads friends. As a toddler she was forced to watch her parents have sex all the time. As an adolescent if she was naughty she was hung by her neck in the garage. Is it any wonder she turned out fucked up and has trouble with knowing right from wrong? Everyone is capable of evil acts if the right buttons are pushed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14166 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Surely the widespread use of Citv, DNA evidence all well explained in various cop shows, would put the borderline would be murderer / rapist off more now than in previous years. I know Art Attack was good but I doubt it could prevent violent crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted August 15, 2012 Author Share Posted August 15, 2012 I know Art Attack was good but I doubt it could prevent violent crime. Long day! Wouldn't care I'm a Cbeebies man anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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