Renton 18226 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Really Of course not. Just reiterating claims you have made in the past, that's all. Anyway, not sure fashion is a party political issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted July 10, 2016 Author Share Posted July 10, 2016 Of course not. Just reiterating claims you have made in the past, that's all. Anyway, not sure fashion is a party political issue. In truth I don't believe you should vote one way or the other out of habit, but instead which party presents the best package for dealing with the issues at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14166 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 That entire thread, seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 31010 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 In truth I don't believe you should vote one way or the other out of habit, but instead which party presents the best package for dealing with the issues at that time. So you act contrarily to what you actually believe? Taking wummery a bit far don't you think? :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 So you act contrarily to what you actually believe? Taking wummery a bit far don't you think? :lol: Not sure what you mean. When an election comes round you should consider which party looks more capable of managing the economy and which party's manifesto policies are the best. I fully appreciate some people are very right or left wing, but everyone else should make a considered choice, especially when labour and conservatives have been so similar in the last 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Not sure what you mean. When an election comes round you should consider which party looks more capable of managing the economy and which party's manifesto policies are the best. I fully appreciate some people are very right or left wing, but everyone else should make a considered choice, especially when labour and conservatives have been so similar in the last 20 years. Judging which party's policies are 'the best' requires subjective judgements aka 'principles'. Unless you claim that we live in an era of evidence-based policy-making? I have a mate involved in policy trials, burgeoning area but not how things are done at the minute. If you have principles and the parties in front of us represent broadly the application of common principles to key government decision-points (basically, rule of law, monetary policy, tax & expenditure), then you'd expect the norm to be you stick with the party that best represents your principles. No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 27044 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) There's a large section of the electorate who lack a firmly defined set of principles though. Edited July 11, 2016 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 There's a large section of the electorate who lack a firmly defined set of principles though. CT isn't one of them though. I agree, with that judgement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 Judging which party's policies are 'the best' requires subjective judgements aka 'principles'. Unless you claim that we live in an era of evidence-based policy-making? I have a mate involved in policy trials, burgeoning area but not how things are done at the minute. If you have principles and the parties in front of us represent broadly the application of common principles to key government decision-points (basically, rule of law, monetary policy, tax & expenditure), then you'd expect the norm to be you stick with the party that best represents your principles. No? I think that's true with regard to the far left and far right of each party. Less so for the majority of the voters who make up the centre ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18226 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 This sounds suspiciously like it would need experts to realise it. We've had enough of experts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 36075 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Leadsom to make a statement at 12. Speculation is that she's pulling out of the contest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18226 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Conservative master stroke this. Make us all relieved to be governed by Theresa fucking May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 Excellent news really as May is clearly the more experienced candidate and it allows us to crack on with running the country while Labour fight all summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 31010 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 "Us" :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 Poor Dave. Gonna have to get a move on with the packing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13915 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 +1 "Us" :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 I was saying last week to someone that i thought May had masterminded the whole fallout from the referendum in her favour. Michael Gove comes over as a self absorbed prick, just the sort of person who could be flattered into doing something stupid. The whole pace at which the killing of Boris (encouraged by someone senior in the party) was quickly translated into an act of a traitor (rolled out perfectly across the news cycle with buy in from the DM - who did leak that message from Vine?) just made me think it was too neat to be just 'unfolding events' - power doesnt get transferred so dramatically on the whims of on the cuff decision-making. Anyway, seem i'm not the only one who thought this https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/09/country-political-crisis-tories-prime-minister "We may assume that powerful Conservative figures wanted Boris Johnson gone, for historical as well as proximal reasons. Someone lofty may have spoken smoothly into the ear of his lieutenant, Michael Gove, to persuade him he was prime minister material and that he should desert. When he did and Johnson stepped aside, a so-called grandee, Michael Heseltine, was on hand to disembowel the corpse. Then, for his 15 minutes, Gove was before us, cross-gartered like foolish Malvolio, until another grandee, Kenneth Clarke, in concert with the Daily Mail, was ready to knife his guts. Two down in the summer of contempt." It was all May all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Does this mean May is in or do they select another candidate? More brexit-fuelled democracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 Does this mean May is in or do they select another candidate? More brexit-fuelled democracy Unclear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 Boris? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 27044 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) It'll be a May coronation. Which can only be a good thing as she won't have to make promises to the right in order to secure the position. Gives her a bit more wiggle room in Brexit negotiations. Edit: Or maybe not. Edited July 11, 2016 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Christmas Tree 4005 Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 2 minutes into Eagles big pitch, news channels pull out and switch to Leadsom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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