Politics

[PaddockLad 20142]

Just now, wykikitoon said:

Is it fair to see whatever political party is in, they're scared to go 'there' with taxing the rich?

He’d have literally fuck all to lose. Tax the merchant banks on every transaction they make and say it’s to fund the NHS instead of giving the perception (and ammunition to your opposition) that you’re targeting pensioners. It would be the right wing press Starmer would’ve had to have dealt with but not really anyone else (Badenoch is an irrelevance) he may have also been able to snare Farage on his CoL past..the entire institution and concept of the CoL is bent as fuck, expose that like the Covid PPE procurement scandal and you look like you're on the side of punters and not giving your implicit consent to world wide white collar crime. Vested interests would have gone through the roof exposing themselves further. 
 

 

[Rayvin 6689]

1 hour ago, GrahamTaylor5 said:

In all seriousness. What is it that Stramer has actually done that makes him worse to vote for than Reform and the Conservatives?

 

I am still in the mindset that a vote for the Lib Dems and Green Party are a waste of a vote, or even more cynical if you want don't want a Labour government, vote Conservative or if you don't want a Conservative government, vote Labour. 

 

I know he lacks any clear identity but, to me, he appears far more competent than everyone in my recent memory. 

 

If we keep voting for him as he moves further right, he never has to fight for our votes/appeal to us. We are simply taken for granted because we're living in fear of the 'something worse'.

[Craig 7995]

53 minutes ago, Renton said:

Let's take winter fuel payments for instance. It was absolutely the right thing to do to scrap them imo, they're existence is not fair or logical. Poorer pensioners can be helped out in other ways. But now it looks like they are going to u turn for political reasons, and worse, they've done it in such a way it won't even help them.

My issue with the winter fuel payments was the majority of 'noise' I was hearing was from Tory-voting cunts of pensionable age who were busy dipping into their inordinate wealth buying their groceries from Waitrose and spending vast amounts of their time sitting in expensive coffee shops. These arseholes absolutely don't need it. My stepmother was one of them and she's learned the hard way not to bring that discussion to my doorstep.

 

[ewerk 34860]

25 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

He’d have literally fuck all to lose. Tax the merchant banks on every transaction they make and say it’s to fund the NHS instead of giving the perception (and ammunition to your opposition) that you’re targeting pensioners. It would be the right wing press Starmer would’ve had to have dealt with but not really anyone else (Badenoch is an irrelevance) he may have also been able to snare Farage on his CoL past..the entire institution and concept of the CoL is bent as fuck, expose that like the Covid PPE procurement scandal and you look like you're on the side of punters and not giving your implicit consent to world wide white collar crime. Vested interests would have gone through the roof exposing themselves further. 
 

 

 

Financial services' tax receipts make 12% of total tax revenue in the UK so they're already a major source of income for the government. It's an increasingly competitive world and if you hammer banks with taxes they'll simply move elsewhere and with them goes the exisiting tax base. London is already suffering from record low numbers of IPOs and putting extra taxes on the industry is only going to have a negative effect on the tax take. It's like Labour's plan to end non-dom status that would cure everything. They announced it and suddenly 10,000 millionaires left the country. Unfortunately there isn't a simple answer to all our ills.

[GrahamTaylor5 1250]

30 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

If we keep voting for him as he moves further right, he never has to fight for our votes/appeal to us. We are simply taken for granted because we're living in fear of the 'something worse'.

Is he actually 'moving further right'? 

 

The winter fuel payment wasn't too bad a decision as it is means tested.

 

It is like the free school meals for all children. I have benefited from free school meals for two of my kids and I really did not need it. My wife and I both have 'middle class' jobs. It was a complete waste of tax money. I also dont think we will 'need' a winter fuel allowance. We are nowhere near what I would class as 'well off', but definitely comfortable and no financial worries.

 

I would like them to tax the banks and the very rich but there must be a reason why they don't or cannot as there are so few of them that it cannot be down to votes.

[Renton 24804]

34 minutes ago, ewerk said:

They announced it and suddenly 10,000 millionaires left the country. Unfortunately there isn't a simple answer to all our ills.

 

Is that true? Is it hyperbolic? Cos that would be 10 trillion quid in flight. And why is Paul Daniels* still here.

 

* Even if he is six foot under.

[Renton 24804]

13 minutes ago, GrahamTaylor5 said:

Is he actually 'moving further right'? 

 

The winter fuel payment wasn't too bad a decision as it is means tested.

 

It is like the free school meals for all children. I have benefited from free school meals for two of my kids and I really did not need it. My wife and I both have 'middle class' jobs. It was a complete waste of tax money. I also dont think we will 'need' a winter fuel allowance. We are nowhere near what I would class as 'well off', but definitely comfortable and no financial worries.

 

I would like them to tax the banks and the very rich but there must be a reason why they don't or cannot as there are so few of them that it cannot be down to votes.

 

School meals is a good idea I think as it is linked to better attainment and we don't want to stigmatise kids. But anyway, in this country we tend to venerate pensioners and treat kids like shite, even though we have a demographic population crash which indirectly impacts on immigration. A priority should be to scrap the 2 kid cap, fuck WFA 

[Rayvin 6689]

16 minutes ago, GrahamTaylor5 said:

Is he actually 'moving further right'? 

 

The winter fuel payment wasn't too bad a decision as it is means tested.

 

It is like the free school meals for all children. I have benefited from free school meals for two of my kids and I really did not need it. My wife and I both have 'middle class' jobs. It was a complete waste of tax money. I also dont think we will 'need' a winter fuel allowance. We are nowhere near what I would class as 'well off', but definitely comfortable and no financial worries.

 

I would like them to tax the banks and the very rich but there must be a reason why they don't or cannot as there are so few of them that it cannot be down to votes.

 

I think the immigration plan is a pretty clear indication of it. He also reneged on his Green commitments and has turned against trans people. I appreciate we all have different views on that here but I think we could all agree that support for LGBTQ is a left wing issue. It's been traded in purely to court the right. Also cutting disability benefits. Oh and while it's not a left/right issue as such, the EU. Definitely more people on the left favour that than the right.

 

It's just too much man, it really is. He does not give a fuck about my vote, he just assumes he's got it.

[Craig 7995]

4 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

I think the immigration plan is a pretty clear indication of it. He also reneged on his Green commitments and has turned against trans people. I appreciate we all have different views on that here but I think we could all agree that support for LGBTQ is a left wing issue. It's been traded in purely to court the right. Also cutting disability benefits. Oh and while it's not a left/right issue as such, the EU. Definitely more people on the left favour that than the right.

 

It's just too much man, it really is. He does not give a fuck about my vote, he just assumes he's got it.

He hasn't 'turned on trans people. He's given his position on it. The trans community themselves can't unequivocally agree on this so it's little wonder the politicians struggle with it. 

My sister, who you know is trans, is in complete agreement with Starmer ... and is as militant left as you can get! 

It's a massive generalisation to state if you aren't supportive of scenario A, you must be firmly in the scenario B camp.

[ewerk 34860]

I think it's perfectly fair to say that he has done a u-turn on trans rights and the issue is absolutely being dominated by the right wing with your sister being an outlier.

[ewerk 34860]

22 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Is that true? Is it hyperbolic? Cos that would be 10 trillion quid in flight. And why is Paul Daniels* still here.

 

* Even if he is six foot under.

 

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A report published earlier this week, external by global analytics firm New World Wealth and investment migration advisers Henley & Partners found more than 10,000 millionaires left the UK in 2024, a 157% increase on the previous year.

Analysts cited factors including additional taxes affecting non-doms and other wealthy individuals as well as the growing dominance of the US and Asia in the tech sector and the dwindling importance of the London Stock Exchange.

 

[Craig 7995]

1 minute ago, ewerk said:

I think it's perfectly fair to say that he has done a u-turn on trans rights and the issue is absolutely being dominated by the right wing with your sister being an outlier.

I'm not denying he's u-turned. Fuck me, he's become the king of u-turns and yes, Debbie is in some respects in the minority. But to suggest being of the opinion that a trans person born male is legally male disqualifies her from being considered part of the LGBTQ community isn't right. 

The massive problem with this is the majority who are overly vocal about this situation pontificate as if it's a binary decision. It's not.

[Rayvin 6689]

So just to support the point on Starmer, in 2022 he was firmly on the left wing side of the aisle. Just looking at his own movements, he's moved significantly to the right on it, and he has only done that for the purposes of pandering. He has given victory to a lot of crowing right wingers. They all lined up to be counted in that moment. Badenoch was front and centre.

 

I'm not attempting to get into the weeds on the actual issue, but LGBTQ protections and support are firmly left wing. He has departed from that side.

[NJS 4778]

34 minutes ago, ewerk said:

 

 

According to that patriotic millionaires group there are 3 million millionaires in the UK now (I'm guessing that may include property)  so 10000 is 3%. Fuck them

 

 

[NJS 4778]

I'd add that it's pointless discussing Starmer - McSweeny is the real person in power. 

[GrahamTaylor5 1250]

2 hours ago, Renton said:

 

School meals is a good idea I think as it is linked to better attainment and we don't want to stigmatise kids. But anyway, in this country we tend to venerate pensioners and treat kids like shite, even though we have a demographic population crash which indirectly impacts on immigration. A priority should be to scrap the 2 kid cap, fuck WFA 

I agree with the need to support kids and pensioners. I just am not convinced that it is necessarily the correct idea to give all children the free school meals up to Year 2 and all pensioners the fuel payment. 

 

I have no understanding how anyone can justify a 2 kid cap and I would rather the money be redirected there. 

 

I also don't agree with fining parents for taking their kids on a holiday during a school term. Ultimately, this is not going to deter a family who are going to go skiing or for a more luxurious holiday but it will stop the families that manage to scrape some money together for a Butlins holiday in the middle of October or February. 

 

 

[GrahamTaylor5 1250]

2 hours ago, Rayvin said:

 

I think the immigration plan is a pretty clear indication of it. He also reneged on his Green commitments and has turned against trans people. I appreciate we all have different views on that here but I think we could all agree that support for LGBTQ is a left wing issue. It's been traded in purely to court the right. Also cutting disability benefits. Oh and while it's not a left/right issue as such, the EU. Definitely more people on the left favour that than the right.

 

It's just too much man, it really is. He does not give a fuck about my vote, he just assumes he's got it.

What is his immigration plan? A quick Google didn’t give me a clear indication which is not overly surprising. 

 

I am not convinced that LGBTQ+ is a left wing issue. If anything, it appeared to me, freedoms and rights for people from the LGBTQ+ community have come on far more under access Conservative Government than they did previously. Policies such an education also went in the favour of LGBTQ+. I may be wrong on this though. 

[NJS 4778]

4 minutes ago, GrahamTaylor5 said:

What is his immigration plan? A quick Google didn’t give me a clear indication which is not overly surprising. 

 

I am not convinced that LGBTQ+ is a left wing issue. If anything, it appeared to me, freedoms and rights for people from the LGBTQ+ community have come on far more under access Conservative Government than they did previously. Policies such an education also went in the favour of LGBTQ+. I may be wrong on this though. 

Clause 28.

[GrahamTaylor5 1250]

9 minutes ago, NJS said:

Clause 28.

Every day seems to be another one of learning depressing information. 

[Rayvin 6689]

22 minutes ago, GrahamTaylor5 said:

What is his immigration plan? A quick Google didn’t give me a clear indication which is not overly surprising. 

 

I am not convinced that LGBTQ+ is a left wing issue. If anything, it appeared to me, freedoms and rights for people from the LGBTQ+ community have come on far more under access Conservative Government than they did previously. Policies such an education also went in the favour of LGBTQ+. I may be wrong on this though. 

 

10 year stay needed for citizenship, resisting freedom of movement, reduce foreign student conditions for staying here. Stuff along those lines, rounded off with a statement that 'we are now an island of strangers' which seems to be referencing Enoch Powell of all people - it was a big announcement a few weeks ago. Farage came out and congratulated the government for listening to him. Labour fell 35 points in approval with their core voters as a result.

 

As for the LGBTQ stuff - are you arguing that the general philosophy of conservatism/right wing principles support advancing the rights of LGBTQ people? Whilst at the same time pushing back against same sex marriage, abortion, trans people, feminism, and so on? Whether the Tories advanced the issue or not (I don't particularly remember any notable progress here?) it remains a progressive issue. So if they did do something there, they were enacting a left wing policy.  It is the left that pushed for each and every bit of progress that has been achieved, it is the left that celebrates each of them. I mean, which notable person on the right has come out to defend trans people? In any sense? Genuine question tbh.