AgentAxeman

right back at ya Alex

.....so does the BBC. do you think that particular corporation is a right wing facist hotbed as well?? ffs, poor effort there Renton! 1st you provide blatently out of date and incorrect info, and then you suggest a political link when its already been stated that the info provided has been independently refereed and judged by both sides of the argument. Even the current government of the day uses migration watch when the figures show a positive spin for their cause.

Hate to tell you bud but your chart is 6 yrs out of date as are your figures I'm not certain if Civitas are impartial and quite frankly im not bothered if they are or not. http://www.civitas.org.uk/eufacts/ They say it has been, in their words 'refereed by experts' from both sides of the european debate. link for said experts: http://www.civitas.org.uk/eufacts/credits.html . How do Civitas 'seemingly' have close ties with Migration watch? would need a source to give that statement any creedence whatsoever. Tbh Renton imo you are so far 'left wing' you see the middle ground as 'right wing'. Thats not a dig at you btw, I admire your dedication to your beliefs, just not your politik

I've just got back from a gig and saw the news on SSN. fucking horrible for the lad and i hope he makes a full recovery. did the defender mean it? or was it just bad luck?

Alex, Renton asked for european countries outside the Eu. how am i supposed to answer anything but european countries. keep up man!

That was his follow-up to his original which did like. sorry. didnt see that one. i just replied to that particular post. damn my eyes for not keeping up............

How so?

Norways doing pretty well. "After World War II, Norway experienced rapid economic growth, with the first two decades due to the Norwegian shipping and merchant marine and domestic industrialization, and from the early 1970s, a result of exploiting large oil and natural gas deposits that had been discovered in the North Sea and the Norwegian Sea. Today, Norway ranks as the wealthiest country in the world in monetary value, with the largest capital reserve per capita of any nation. In August 2009 the nation's sovereign wealth fund announced that it owned approximately 1% of all the stocks in the world, presumably referring to publicly traded stocks. Norway is the world’s seventh largest oil exporter and the petroleum industry accounts for around a quarter of its GDP. Following the ongoing financial crisis of 2007–2010, bankers have deemed the Norwegian krone to be one of the most solid currencies in the world." (source: wiki) Renton, this is my original reply to your post. you didnt mention Norway or Switzerland in it ??????

eh? i didnt start this particular track of conversation and i didnt cite those countries. Renton did. He asked me a question to which i answered. I never for one moment held them up as a shinig example for why the UK should leave the eu. tbh, I'm not that bothered by the countries mentioned. however i do know for an absolute fact that this countrys NET spend to the eu is £40.5 billion per annum. Thats £40.5 billion which could be spent on things like the NHS for example. I also know that we are a NET importer of goods (ie we buy more material goods than we sell). therefore the eu would be stupid in the extreme to take a huff and stop selling us things. and even if by some miracle the eu did decide to stop selling us stuff then theres always the far east markets who would gladly take its place in terms of selling us stuff. at least they (the asians) wouldnt pretend we're all the same because of geographics. I know he asked the question. Am I not allowed to comment on the answer like? of course you can my friend but your comment implied that i had cited these particular countries 1st. I hadn't so i clarified the point. no offence was taken by your comment, only confusion. How? I was only saying what I said because it was an irrelevent comparison. Iirc though you said there were loads of counties in Europe doing well outside the EU as part of your argument as to why the UK should leave. When you were asked which countries these were, it was pointed out they were very different to the UK, therefore not particularly relevent to the discussion. My own view on Europe is that, while we're better in than out there's a hell of a lot of bureaucratic waste etc. which should be sorted out but citing Switzerland and Norway is a bit pointless. ah right, got you now. did i say europe? im not certain that i did but i could have done in a pissed moment. I'll have a check back and look..... Edit: "and yes, i would have us out of the eu. theres a lot of countries that deal with the eu on better terms than britain does atm so i dont see how it would be financial suicide." I cant see any mention of European countries only. It was meant to mean worldwide. Ive no idea were the European only element came into it.

eh? i didnt start this particular track of conversation and i didnt cite those countries. Renton did. He asked me a question to which i answered. I never for one moment held them up as a shinig example for why the UK should leave the eu. tbh, I'm not that bothered by the countries mentioned. however i do know for an absolute fact that this countrys NET spend to the eu is £40.5 billion per annum. Thats £40.5 billion which could be spent on things like the NHS for example. I also know that we are a NET importer of goods (ie we buy more material goods than we sell). therefore the eu would be stupid in the extreme to take a huff and stop selling us things. and even if by some miracle the eu did decide to stop selling us stuff then theres always the far east markets who would gladly take its place in terms of selling us stuff. at least they (the asians) wouldnt pretend we're all the same because of geographics. That absolute fact of £40.5 billion net expenditure to the EU, have you got a reputable reference for it (i.e. not BNP or UKIP site, preferably a primary reference)? I'm just genuinely curious because I've also heard it stated that we are net beneficaries. In any case the number seems rather large. as i said earlier in the thread the source for these figures is Civitas http://www.civitas.org.uk/eufacts/OS/OS13.htm Primary source? Reputable? Likely to be impartial? http://www.civitas.org.uk/ they're supposed to have no political affiliation so i dont see any reason for them to 'massage the figures' (ie lie). have a look and decide for yourself.

eh? i didnt start this particular track of conversation and i didnt cite those countries. Renton did. He asked me a question to which i answered. I never for one moment held them up as a shinig example for why the UK should leave the eu. tbh, I'm not that bothered by the countries mentioned. however i do know for an absolute fact that this countrys NET spend to the eu is £40.5 billion per annum. Thats £40.5 billion which could be spent on things like the NHS for example. I also know that we are a NET importer of goods (ie we buy more material goods than we sell). therefore the eu would be stupid in the extreme to take a huff and stop selling us things. and even if by some miracle the eu did decide to stop selling us stuff then theres always the far east markets who would gladly take its place in terms of selling us stuff. at least they (the asians) wouldnt pretend we're all the same because of geographics. That absolute fact of £40.5 billion net expenditure to the EU, have you got a reputable reference for it (i.e. not BNP or UKIP site, preferably a primary reference)? I'm just genuinely curious because I've also heard it stated that we are net beneficaries. In any case the number seems rather large. as i said earlier in the thread the source for these figures is Civitas http://www.civitas.org.uk/eufacts/OS/OS13.htm

eh? i didnt start this particular track of conversation and i didnt cite those countries. Renton did. He asked me a question to which i answered. I never for one moment held them up as a shinig example for why the UK should leave the eu. tbh, I'm not that bothered by the countries mentioned. however i do know for an absolute fact that this countrys NET spend to the eu is £40.5 billion per annum. Thats £40.5 billion which could be spent on things like the NHS for example. I also know that we are a NET importer of goods (ie we buy more material goods than we sell). therefore the eu would be stupid in the extreme to take a huff and stop selling us things. and even if by some miracle the eu did decide to stop selling us stuff then theres always the far east markets who would gladly take its place in terms of selling us stuff. at least they (the asians) wouldnt pretend we're all the same because of geographics. I know he asked the question. Am I not allowed to comment on the answer like? of course you can my friend but your comment implied that i had cited these particular countries 1st. I hadn't so i clarified the point. no offence was taken by your comment, only confusion.

eh? i didnt start this particular track of conversation and i didnt cite those countries. Renton did. He asked me a question to which i answered. I never for one moment held them up as a shinig example for why the UK should leave the eu. tbh, I'm not that bothered by the countries mentioned. however i do know for an absolute fact that this countrys NET spend to the eu is £40.5 billion per annum. Thats £40.5 billion which could be spent on things like the NHS for example. I also know that we are a NET importer of goods (ie we buy more material goods than we sell). therefore the eu would be stupid in the extreme to take a huff and stop selling us things. and even if by some miracle the eu did decide to stop selling us stuff then theres always the far east markets who would gladly take its place in terms of selling us stuff. at least they (the asians) wouldnt pretend we're all the same because of geographics. iirc Germany's last year was 30 billion euro. sounds like an awful lot of germans are being screwed by their socialist masters. little wonder that nationalism is on the rise across the rich nations of europe.

eh? i didnt start this particular track of conversation and i didnt cite those countries. Renton did. He asked me a question to which i answered. I never for one moment held them up as a shinig example for why the UK should leave the eu. tbh, I'm not that bothered by the countries mentioned. however i do know for an absolute fact that this countrys NET spend to the eu is £40.5 billion per annum. Thats £40.5 billion which could be spent on things like the NHS for example. I also know that we are a NET importer of goods (ie we buy more material goods than we sell). therefore the eu would be stupid in the extreme to take a huff and stop selling us things. and even if by some miracle the eu did decide to stop selling us stuff then theres always the far east markets who would gladly take its place in terms of selling us stuff. at least they (the asians) wouldnt pretend we're all the same because of geographics.

Norways doing pretty well. "After World War II, Norway experienced rapid economic growth, with the first two decades due to the Norwegian shipping and merchant marine and domestic industrialization, and from the early 1970s, a result of exploiting large oil and natural gas deposits that had been discovered in the North Sea and the Norwegian Sea. Today, Norway ranks as the wealthiest country in the world in monetary value, with the largest capital reserve per capita of any nation. In August 2009 the nation's sovereign wealth fund announced that it owned approximately 1% of all the stocks in the world, presumably referring to publicly traded stocks. Norway is the world’s seventh largest oil exporter and the petroleum industry accounts for around a quarter of its GDP. Following the ongoing financial crisis of 2007–2010, bankers have deemed the Norwegian krone to be one of the most solid currencies in the world." (source: wiki) That's because they didn't have a government who wasted the North Sea bonanza on giving money away to the rich. They also didn't abandon manufacturing in favour of a service based economy. thats right NJS, all of which happened after we joined the 'great european experiment'. No - post May 1979 - I'm sure you know the significance of that date. I cant see how Maggie ( ) getting in made a country from outside the eurozone the most succesful in the world..

Norways doing pretty well. "After World War II, Norway experienced rapid economic growth, with the first two decades due to the Norwegian shipping and merchant marine and domestic industrialization, and from the early 1970s, a result of exploiting large oil and natural gas deposits that had been discovered in the North Sea and the Norwegian Sea. Today, Norway ranks as the wealthiest country in the world in monetary value, with the largest capital reserve per capita of any nation. In August 2009 the nation's sovereign wealth fund announced that it owned approximately 1% of all the stocks in the world, presumably referring to publicly traded stocks. Norway is the world’s seventh largest oil exporter and the petroleum industry accounts for around a quarter of its GDP. Following the ongoing financial crisis of 2007–2010, bankers have deemed the Norwegian krone to be one of the most solid currencies in the world." (source: wiki) The population of Norway is less than that of Scotland btw, I'll leave you to work out the relevance of this. theres always a downside with you aint there? glass half empty and all that. you asked for an example of a european, non eu country who are doing well. i gave you one. accept it I'd already stated Norway wasn't a relevant comparison because of its relative size and huge oil reserves man. Wake up. its not exactly a fair question when you have to exclude 2 of the most succesful (if not the most succesful) countries in europe is it now?

No. Because it would be suicide for a larger country not to be in the EU, that's the point I'm trying to make. We can't exist in isolation in the new millennia. you keep saying that but can you explain why not? genuine question btw

I had a wander into t-mobiles shop today so i can could have a gander at the HTC Hero or as they call it the G2. got to say that 1st impressions are really good. touchscreen is excellent, seems very quick, menus look straightforward. obviously didnt have much time to check it out in depth but from what i saw im impressed. maybe not quite as good as the iphone but imo its only a fannies hair away from it and much closer than ajaxandy seems to think.

Norways doing pretty well. "After World War II, Norway experienced rapid economic growth, with the first two decades due to the Norwegian shipping and merchant marine and domestic industrialization, and from the early 1970s, a result of exploiting large oil and natural gas deposits that had been discovered in the North Sea and the Norwegian Sea. Today, Norway ranks as the wealthiest country in the world in monetary value, with the largest capital reserve per capita of any nation. In August 2009 the nation's sovereign wealth fund announced that it owned approximately 1% of all the stocks in the world, presumably referring to publicly traded stocks. Norway is the world’s seventh largest oil exporter and the petroleum industry accounts for around a quarter of its GDP. Following the ongoing financial crisis of 2007–2010, bankers have deemed the Norwegian krone to be one of the most solid currencies in the world." (source: wiki) The population of Norway is less than that of Scotland btw, I'll leave you to work out the relevance of this. theres always a downside with you aint there? glass half empty and all that. you asked for an example of a european, non eu country who are doing well. i gave you one. accept it

excellent! i really should get my stuff flightcased. especially my amp as its 30 yrs old now.

Norways doing pretty well. "After World War II, Norway experienced rapid economic growth, with the first two decades due to the Norwegian shipping and merchant marine and domestic industrialization, and from the early 1970s, a result of exploiting large oil and natural gas deposits that had been discovered in the North Sea and the Norwegian Sea. Today, Norway ranks as the wealthiest country in the world in monetary value, with the largest capital reserve per capita of any nation. In August 2009 the nation's sovereign wealth fund announced that it owned approximately 1% of all the stocks in the world, presumably referring to publicly traded stocks. Norway is the world’s seventh largest oil exporter and the petroleum industry accounts for around a quarter of its GDP. Following the ongoing financial crisis of 2007–2010, bankers have deemed the Norwegian krone to be one of the most solid currencies in the world." (source: wiki) That's because they didn't have a government who wasted the North Sea bonanza on giving money away to the rich. They also didn't abandon manufacturing in favour of a service based economy. thats right NJS, all of which happened after we joined the 'great european experiment'.

Norways doing pretty well. "After World War II, Norway experienced rapid economic growth, with the first two decades due to the Norwegian shipping and merchant marine and domestic industrialization, and from the early 1970s, a result of exploiting large oil and natural gas deposits that had been discovered in the North Sea and the Norwegian Sea. Today, Norway ranks as the wealthiest country in the world in monetary value, with the largest capital reserve per capita of any nation. In August 2009 the nation's sovereign wealth fund announced that it owned approximately 1% of all the stocks in the world, presumably referring to publicly traded stocks. Norway is the world’s seventh largest oil exporter and the petroleum industry accounts for around a quarter of its GDP. Following the ongoing financial crisis of 2007–2010, bankers have deemed the Norwegian krone to be one of the most solid currencies in the world." (source: wiki)

Eh, who have I called a cunt? sorry, my bad. the word you used was lunatics

I don't think you are and I don't think LM is - "cunt" to me implies nastiness and deliberate ruthlessness (and as such can be a compliment as well) which I think does apply to the Mail and its writers (and in the latter sense to Alan Shearer). are you saying that you are actually complimenting everyone who reads and/or who writes for the daily mail? I like your definition of 'cunt' btw. i'm now quite happy to be called that by you!

I just dont get your attitude that everyone who disagrees with you is a cunt. are you Stevie in disguise?