AgentAxeman

eh? i didnt start this particular track of conversation and i didnt cite those countries. Renton did. He asked me a question to which i answered. I never for one moment held them up as a shinig example for why the UK should leave the eu. tbh, I'm not that bothered by the countries mentioned. however i do know for an absolute fact that this countrys NET spend to the eu is £40.5 billion per annum. Thats £40.5 billion which could be spent on things like the NHS for example. I also know that we are a NET importer of goods (ie we buy more material goods than we sell). therefore the eu would be stupid in the extreme to take a huff and stop selling us things. and even if by some miracle the eu did decide to stop selling us stuff then theres always the far east markets who would gladly take its place in terms of selling us stuff. at least they (the asians) wouldnt pretend we're all the same because of geographics. iirc Germany's last year was 30 billion euro. sounds like an awful lot of germans are being screwed by their socialist masters. little wonder that nationalism is on the rise across the rich nations of europe.

eh? i didnt start this particular track of conversation and i didnt cite those countries. Renton did. He asked me a question to which i answered. I never for one moment held them up as a shinig example for why the UK should leave the eu. tbh, I'm not that bothered by the countries mentioned. however i do know for an absolute fact that this countrys NET spend to the eu is £40.5 billion per annum. Thats £40.5 billion which could be spent on things like the NHS for example. I also know that we are a NET importer of goods (ie we buy more material goods than we sell). therefore the eu would be stupid in the extreme to take a huff and stop selling us things. and even if by some miracle the eu did decide to stop selling us stuff then theres always the far east markets who would gladly take its place in terms of selling us stuff. at least they (the asians) wouldnt pretend we're all the same because of geographics.

Norways doing pretty well. "After World War II, Norway experienced rapid economic growth, with the first two decades due to the Norwegian shipping and merchant marine and domestic industrialization, and from the early 1970s, a result of exploiting large oil and natural gas deposits that had been discovered in the North Sea and the Norwegian Sea. Today, Norway ranks as the wealthiest country in the world in monetary value, with the largest capital reserve per capita of any nation. In August 2009 the nation's sovereign wealth fund announced that it owned approximately 1% of all the stocks in the world, presumably referring to publicly traded stocks. Norway is the world’s seventh largest oil exporter and the petroleum industry accounts for around a quarter of its GDP. Following the ongoing financial crisis of 2007–2010, bankers have deemed the Norwegian krone to be one of the most solid currencies in the world." (source: wiki) That's because they didn't have a government who wasted the North Sea bonanza on giving money away to the rich. They also didn't abandon manufacturing in favour of a service based economy. thats right NJS, all of which happened after we joined the 'great european experiment'. No - post May 1979 - I'm sure you know the significance of that date. I cant see how Maggie ( ) getting in made a country from outside the eurozone the most succesful in the world..

Norways doing pretty well. "After World War II, Norway experienced rapid economic growth, with the first two decades due to the Norwegian shipping and merchant marine and domestic industrialization, and from the early 1970s, a result of exploiting large oil and natural gas deposits that had been discovered in the North Sea and the Norwegian Sea. Today, Norway ranks as the wealthiest country in the world in monetary value, with the largest capital reserve per capita of any nation. In August 2009 the nation's sovereign wealth fund announced that it owned approximately 1% of all the stocks in the world, presumably referring to publicly traded stocks. Norway is the world’s seventh largest oil exporter and the petroleum industry accounts for around a quarter of its GDP. Following the ongoing financial crisis of 2007–2010, bankers have deemed the Norwegian krone to be one of the most solid currencies in the world." (source: wiki) The population of Norway is less than that of Scotland btw, I'll leave you to work out the relevance of this. theres always a downside with you aint there? glass half empty and all that. you asked for an example of a european, non eu country who are doing well. i gave you one. accept it I'd already stated Norway wasn't a relevant comparison because of its relative size and huge oil reserves man. Wake up. its not exactly a fair question when you have to exclude 2 of the most succesful (if not the most succesful) countries in europe is it now?

No. Because it would be suicide for a larger country not to be in the EU, that's the point I'm trying to make. We can't exist in isolation in the new millennia. you keep saying that but can you explain why not? genuine question btw

I had a wander into t-mobiles shop today so i can could have a gander at the HTC Hero or as they call it the G2. got to say that 1st impressions are really good. touchscreen is excellent, seems very quick, menus look straightforward. obviously didnt have much time to check it out in depth but from what i saw im impressed. maybe not quite as good as the iphone but imo its only a fannies hair away from it and much closer than ajaxandy seems to think.

Norways doing pretty well. "After World War II, Norway experienced rapid economic growth, with the first two decades due to the Norwegian shipping and merchant marine and domestic industrialization, and from the early 1970s, a result of exploiting large oil and natural gas deposits that had been discovered in the North Sea and the Norwegian Sea. Today, Norway ranks as the wealthiest country in the world in monetary value, with the largest capital reserve per capita of any nation. In August 2009 the nation's sovereign wealth fund announced that it owned approximately 1% of all the stocks in the world, presumably referring to publicly traded stocks. Norway is the world’s seventh largest oil exporter and the petroleum industry accounts for around a quarter of its GDP. Following the ongoing financial crisis of 2007–2010, bankers have deemed the Norwegian krone to be one of the most solid currencies in the world." (source: wiki) The population of Norway is less than that of Scotland btw, I'll leave you to work out the relevance of this. theres always a downside with you aint there? glass half empty and all that. you asked for an example of a european, non eu country who are doing well. i gave you one. accept it

excellent! i really should get my stuff flightcased. especially my amp as its 30 yrs old now.

Norways doing pretty well. "After World War II, Norway experienced rapid economic growth, with the first two decades due to the Norwegian shipping and merchant marine and domestic industrialization, and from the early 1970s, a result of exploiting large oil and natural gas deposits that had been discovered in the North Sea and the Norwegian Sea. Today, Norway ranks as the wealthiest country in the world in monetary value, with the largest capital reserve per capita of any nation. In August 2009 the nation's sovereign wealth fund announced that it owned approximately 1% of all the stocks in the world, presumably referring to publicly traded stocks. Norway is the world’s seventh largest oil exporter and the petroleum industry accounts for around a quarter of its GDP. Following the ongoing financial crisis of 2007–2010, bankers have deemed the Norwegian krone to be one of the most solid currencies in the world." (source: wiki) That's because they didn't have a government who wasted the North Sea bonanza on giving money away to the rich. They also didn't abandon manufacturing in favour of a service based economy. thats right NJS, all of which happened after we joined the 'great european experiment'.

Norways doing pretty well. "After World War II, Norway experienced rapid economic growth, with the first two decades due to the Norwegian shipping and merchant marine and domestic industrialization, and from the early 1970s, a result of exploiting large oil and natural gas deposits that had been discovered in the North Sea and the Norwegian Sea. Today, Norway ranks as the wealthiest country in the world in monetary value, with the largest capital reserve per capita of any nation. In August 2009 the nation's sovereign wealth fund announced that it owned approximately 1% of all the stocks in the world, presumably referring to publicly traded stocks. Norway is the world’s seventh largest oil exporter and the petroleum industry accounts for around a quarter of its GDP. Following the ongoing financial crisis of 2007–2010, bankers have deemed the Norwegian krone to be one of the most solid currencies in the world." (source: wiki)

Eh, who have I called a cunt? sorry, my bad. the word you used was lunatics

I don't think you are and I don't think LM is - "cunt" to me implies nastiness and deliberate ruthlessness (and as such can be a compliment as well) which I think does apply to the Mail and its writers (and in the latter sense to Alan Shearer). are you saying that you are actually complimenting everyone who reads and/or who writes for the daily mail? I like your definition of 'cunt' btw. i'm now quite happy to be called that by you!

I just dont get your attitude that everyone who disagrees with you is a cunt. are you Stevie in disguise?

the caring sharing, warm fuzzy face of modern socialism by Renton & NJS there. so much anger...... everyones a cunt except them it would seem. Pathetic guys..........

I notice how its a "right wing rag" but a "left wing publication". that pretty much demonstrates your political 'objectivity' to me. and pardon me 'for trawling the internet' as you say but i do believe that this is a thread about the BNP and how they are winning votes? Imo, this is relevant piece which states the cause of many peoples disatisfaction with the mainstream parties. Wow, you're sharp AA, you really got me there. Showing disrespect to the Daily Mail on a message board, imagine that. So anyway, since you posted it, are we to suppose you agree with the article and its jist that New Labour have been secretly plotting to inundate the UK with 'foreigners' (presumably of the muslim variety), because they hate the 'indigenous' white population so much? And that the Conservative party have been complicit in this because they are shit scared of being branded racists? Do you really believe this to be the case? Yes or no will do, let's here your opinion for a change. lovely, love discussing with you Renton.. Yes or no will not do as there are far too many grey areas in this... anyway to answer your questions. quite honestly i wouldnt expect you to agree with the article as i believe i'm kind of aware of your political affiliation. do i believe that nu labour have been secretly plotting to innundate us with as you say 'foreigners' (and not just of the muslim variety)?, i dont think so as it was never a secret, more a way of getting cheap labour from overseas. do they (i'm presuming you mean nu labour here) hate the white population? no, probably not but i do believe they hold all uk residents in disdain. not certain if i would describe the conservative party as 'complicit' in all this but i am absolutely certain they are terrified of being branded racist. think thats answered all your questions. any more questions, please, dont hesitate.... So you don't agree with the article you posted. Anyway, you would have us out of the EU iirc? The only way to stop European immigration (which correct me if I'm wrong forms the bulk of immigration). Leaving the EU would be economic suicide which is why no serious party would ever entertain the idea, it's best left to the lunatics on the fringe like the BNP. Btw, what is your opinion on emmigration? Several posters on here have plied their trade in other countries, presumably you'd like to see an end to that too? And whose going to do the jobs the Brits won't do now, mentioned above? Out of interest, what political affiliation do you think I am? Probably the same affiliation as most the North East if voting patterns are to be believed? How deviant of me. hmmmmmm, I didnt say i agreed with the entire article but the jist of it?? possibly. I know thats not a great answer but theres so much to the issues involved it would be entirely wrong to just give a yes or no answer. and yes, i would have us out of the eu. theres a lot of countries that deal with the eu on better terms than britain does atm so i dont see how it would be financial suicide. dont forget, our net spend to the eu every year is something like £40 billion (source for those figures : civitas website). as regards emigration, well youre trying to put words into my mouth there. i have no viable opinions either way on that subject. on your political affiliation i certainly dont think youre a deviant. you vote the way your conscience tells you and thats just fine by me, infact i wish more people would be as honest with themselves. however, to describe yourself as being 'in the center' of the political spectrum, as you said earlier in the thread is at the best misjudged on your part. from what ive seen of your posts you are probably left wingish politically, and can i say that is your choice and i would never dream of being critical of it. thats just my opinion of you, if thats wrong please tell me as i dont want anyone thinking im attacking them for their political beliefs. I find it slightly disturbing that you would brand everyone on the fringe as 'lunatics' and tellingly, its only those on the right wing who are described as such by yourself. if the tables were turned (politically) would you describe Karl Marx as such?

I saw bits and bobs of it. quite honestly, if they wernt given the bribe to vote for whomever was in power (ie. dole) then i believe they WOULD have worked their arses off. as it was, it was canny embarrasing. mind you, if you throw anyone in at the deep end of any job, they'll perform poorly compared to seasoned workers i would guess. i know that when i worked for a certain nissan supplier it took me about 2 months before i was completley up to speed (and that was pretty much the average for new starters).

I notice how its a "right wing rag" but a "left wing publication". that pretty much demonstrates your political 'objectivity' to me. and pardon me 'for trawling the internet' as you say but i do believe that this is a thread about the BNP and how they are winning votes? Imo, this is relevant piece which states the cause of many peoples disatisfaction with the mainstream parties. Wow, you're sharp AA, you really got me there. Showing disrespect to the Daily Mail on a message board, imagine that. So anyway, since you posted it, are we to suppose you agree with the article and its jist that New Labour have been secretly plotting to inundate the UK with 'foreigners' (presumably of the muslim variety), because they hate the 'indigenous' white population so much? And that the Conservative party have been complicit in this because they are shit scared of being branded racists? Do you really believe this to be the case? Yes or no will do, let's here your opinion for a change. lovely, love discussing with you Renton.. Yes or no will not do as there are far too many grey areas in this... anyway to answer your questions. quite honestly i wouldnt expect you to agree with the article as i believe i'm kind of aware of your political affiliation. do i believe that nu labour have been secretly plotting to innundate us with as you say 'foreigners' (and not just of the muslim variety)?, i dont think so as it was never a secret, more a way of getting cheap labour from overseas. do they (i'm presuming you mean nu labour here) hate the white population? no, probably not but i do believe they hold all uk residents in disdain. not certain if i would describe the conservative party as 'complicit' in all this but i am absolutely certain they are terrified of being branded racist. think thats answered all your questions. any more questions, please, dont hesitate....

I thought it was funny, Meenz. Maybe that says more about me than the pic says about itself..............

If people read bullshit like that and take it seriously then the dismissal of BNP supporters as racist fuckwits is pretty accurate. If thats your point of view NJS then thats great. I still think its dangerous for anybody to totally dismiss everything out of hand just because it comes from a right wing perspective tho. If thats the case then you're as blinkered (LM would say brainwashed) as the 'fuckwits' you porport to attack.

AA? I dont recall saying all that?

Nicely done Mr. Farage, nicely done!

I notice how its a "right wing rag" but a "left wing publication". that pretty much demonstrates your political 'objectivity' to me. and pardon me 'for trawling the internet' as you say but i do believe that this is a thread about the BNP and how they are winning votes? Imo, this is relevant piece which states the cause of many peoples disatisfaction with the mainstream parties.

That figures, it's telling you what you want to hear. Doesn't stop it being complete and utter unsubstantiated bullshit though, anyone with a modicum of objectivity could tell you that. For the record Leazes I share many of your views on immigration and only last month you actually agreed with me that the burqa should be banned in public places (I don't think you noticed who you were quoting). You don't notice things because of your blind prejudice it seems. Even if I can get past your incessant, childish name-calling, what's the point in discussing literally anything with you? You really believe your viewpoint is infallible ('Im right, as always'), you don't listen to, or understand, anyone else's point of view, and you base all your assertions on your vast 'life experience' whilst slagging off anyone who has had an academic education (regardless of what it was in or where it was). I want to keep posting here but I don't want any communication with you for the mentioned reasons, is that so hard for you to understand? Just ignore me ffs. Renton, did you even bother to read the article? "Of all the issues of concern to the public, immigration is possibly the most explosive - and the one about which the most lies are continuing to be told. During the period that Labour has been in office, mass immigration has simply changed the face of Britain. The total number of immigrants since 1997 is pushing three million. Ministers claim that immigration policy has been driven principally to help the economy. They have always denied that they actually set out deliberately to change the ethnic composition of the country. Well, now we know for a certainty that this is not true. The Government embarked on a policy of mass immigration to change Britain into a multicultural society - and they kept this momentous aim secret from the people whose votes they sought. Worse still, they did this knowing that it ran directly counter to the wishes of those voters, whose concerns about immigration they dismissed as racist; and they further concealed official warnings that large-scale immigration would bring about significant increases in crime. The truth about this scandal was first blurted out last October by Andrew Neather, a former Labour Party speechwriter." I think theres an awful lot of substance there for an 'unsubstantiated' piece. also, i find it laughable that you seem to believe that you are some form of datum point for objectivity and anyone else who disagrees with this level of said objectivity is some form of fruitloop. "You really believe your viewpoint is infallible ('Im right, as always'), you don't listen to, or understand, anyone else's point of view". tbh, that sounds an awful lot like yourself when you're on your high horse.

haven't seen that one. personnally, i didn't see anything wrong with that film whatsoever!!