Jimbo

you've more chance getting a cow to shit gold. 3-0 and a sending off for one of ours. oh and yet more calls for Sam's head as if this result is unexpected, even under Robson or Keegan, this team of ours against that team of theirs... I'd expect us to be bent double with pants in our mouth, clutching our ankles as we're roughly and thoroughly buggered by the Blues. Stop sulking ffs man.

I was fully expecting a poor season, but I expected to see green shoots of recovery, evidence that Allardyce was finding his way and making small improvements that might be the foundations for next season. But all we have seen is regression, negative tactics, awful football, naive team selection, questionable subsitution policy, excuses, blame, some awful transfers. Yes managers need time to succeed, but time doesn't guarantee success, and unfortunately for managers like Allardyce, success earns you time. Minimum expectations have not been met, and have not only not been met, they've been missed by a mile. As for being confident of not being relegated, whoever got relegated in December ? no one, but with us unable to beat the likes of Derby and Wigan, who can be confident of beating any of the remaing teams ahead under Allardyce ? His stubornness and arrogance and inablility to demonstrate alternative tactics have plunged himself in this situation, not the crowd, and certainly not folk on message boards. We've appointed the wrong man, he's a square peg in a round hole and we need to brave enough to make a tough decision.

I agree, but finishing any lower than last season isn't really progress and I doubt Ashley & Mort would be happy with it. Aye. I think better than last season should be a minimum target. I know there's been upheaval at the club etc. but doing better than Roeder should be the least Allardyce should manage. Considering how many tickets XXL Sam has on himself. He does like to big himself up, managerial equivalent of Ali tbh Ali could walk the walk too though Guessing you never saw Big Sam's run at Fulham then. Run ? you mean mince !

He'd just taken a job working under Morrati at Inter Milan, Fayed must have made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

Take a look at this, but remember there is always the risk that you might Brick your PSP.

Not sure if it is still the case, but you used to have to downgrade the firmware of the PSP by running a couple of files from the memory card, not sure if there is an easier way now but I downgraded mine when I first got it, I think it was firmware version 1.5 that you needed to run downloaded games.

"Can I just shock you? I like wine. Despite what I just said earlier." Sign him !

Quoted for truth.

See here is where you are wrong again. You're assuming it's about entertainment, it's not, it's about being able to beat those teams that are shite, something we're not doing. just where do you think Newcastle United have a divine right to finish? Arsenal have been beaten by Boro' Chelsea have been helf by Villa, aberrations for their teams because in between, even playing poorly, they've the quality to grind out results against all but the most elite teams. I'm amazed people still think we' should be beating Wigan away, Boro away etc. We are a mid table side, not even a top half side imo. We're not Robsons team and we're no where near Keegans side. So why in all honesty do you think that we should expect to beat these teams? we haven't beaten Wigan away for 50 odd years, we've been playing poorly all season and scraping through results and yet you people still expect us to go and get a result, despite bitching and moaning louder than a thunderstorm about the paucity of entertainment on display. you all agreed that Shephard should go and with him, the old way of running the club, no more managerial changes every season, no more publicity nightmares. And yet now you want shot of the next guy after 6 months in charge despite us sitting midtable and the January window yet to be taken advantage of. I personally think you're all acting like spoiled brats and am not surprised to see outbursts against the fans from Barton and comments made about the fans by the manager. They initally wanted long term change, genuine revolution at the club and now because that hasn't come covered in glory and rose petals they've spat out their dummy. Grow up says I and care not a jot for the abuse I get. You sound more like a Sam Allardyce supporter than a Newcastle United supporter. Who's going to guarantee entertainment ? Not Allardyce thats for sure, enterainment is not the be-all and end-all, the reason Allardyce needs sacking is because he is dragging our team down the pan with shite tactics and playing "football" so negative you have to question if his intentions are to win at all. Stop wetting your pants about Allardyce, and start worrying about our team, because with this loon in charge we are going backwards fast, the only thing he has been able to display is the stubornness to not change his ideas either that or the lack intellegence to do so.

Not tall enough in my opinion to be a truly great keeper. Hadaway and shite man Hes made a couple of errors in the last season, but then cech has done that in the last 2 weeks! Hes been the best keepr our club has probably ever had and we will struggle to find someone as consistently good as him once he leaves. I don't disagree, I think Given is one of the best players in the Premier League, I just think if he was a wee bit taller he'd be truly world class, I think over the last few games he's only been let down by his lack of height rather than technique or ability.

Just about to start Joe Calzaghe's biog, but also tempted with this one:

It might or it might not, is that a risk we can afford to take right now ?

Not sure how much of that success was down to Tommy Craig rather than Shearer, impossible to tell in my view, as for Verry Terribles, ouch ! Yes I can see the logic in having a more experienced man in there with him, but Terribles ?? Shearer might go on to be a great manager, but I'm not sure I want to take that risk.

Not tall enough in my opinion to be a truly great keeper.

Big Sham? Sounds spot on to me !

Which two? I thought Souness, Roeder and Allardyce would be equally unpopular with you and Jimbo and that. I'd be happy see Allardyce go if we had a quality replacement. I'd have been happy to see Roder go if we had a quality replacement. But we didn't then and we don't now. When names start getting linked with the job, if they're any good I might hop on the bandwagon. Until then I'll just keep supporting the bloke who's there who's not been any worse than anything served up in the last 3 years. Indefensible? With his selections, it looks to me like he only came for the pay off, a sort of legitimate bung, and I don't want to give him that satisfaction. Hang on, I was fully behind Allardyce's appointment, and as for the "not been any worse than anything served up in the last 3 years" are you really sure about that ?

I'm sure they looked into his past to see if he is a Muslim asylum seeker that has links to the Diana conspiracy.

Well, that's the price on the ticket with Barton.

The career Joey Barton was in jeopardy again after he was arrested over an alleged assault following an all-night drinking session. The Newcastle United midfielder spent yesterday in police cells after being picked up in the early hours following his team's 1-0 defeat at Wigan Athletic. The incident is the latest in a string of scandals involving Barton, 25, who is regularly in trouble on and off the pitch. He is currently awaiting trial over a training ground fight with a team-mate at his former club Manchester City. According to police sources, Barton was spotted on CCTV cameras in his home-town of Liverpool allegedly 'acting aggressively and bouncing from one group of people to another, apparently looking for a fight' at around 5.30am. Officers were called and found two men who had allegedly attacked by Barton, whose brother Michael, 18, was convicted of the racist murder black A-level student Anthony Walker, and two of his companions. They claimed they were assaulted by the footballer during a 'scuffle' outside a mobile phone shop on Church Street - the city's main pedestrianised shopping thoroughfare. Last night police refused to reveal exactly what injuries the pair suffered or whether they needed hospital treatment. However, a spokeswoman for Merseyside police confirmed that a 25-year-old man had been arrested on suspicion of assault, as well as a 19-year-old man and a 27-year-old woman. Barton was allowed time to rest before officers began questioning him at Liverpool's St Anne Street police station yesterday evening. He was also expected to be tested for illegal drugs. Barton, who earns £45,000-a-week, is believed to have been partying with friends in his native city after being ruled out of Newcastle's match on Wednesday night with an ankle injury. It was unclear whether the player had been given special permission to stay in the North West by manager Sam Allardyce or had been out against the club's wishes. The rest of the Newcastle team travelled back to the North East after the game and reported for morning training as usual. Barton's arrest is the latest scandal to beset the troubled Liverpudlian, who is more famous for his bad behaviour on and off the pitch than for his footballing skills. He is already awaiting trial for assault in June next year following a training ground bust up with his former team-mate at Manchester City, Ousamane Dabo. The 30-year-old French international was floored and suffered bleeding after allegedly being repeatedly punched in the face by Barton. He was suspended for the rest of the season and fined a record four weeks' wages - £100,000 - before being sold to Newcastle over the summer. Two months earlier he had been arrested on suspicion of assault and criminal damage after an argument with a taxi driver and in December 2004 was fined £60,000 by the club for stubbing a cigar out in the eye of junior team-mate Jamie Tandy at a Christmas party. He was also sent home from a preseason tour of Thailand two summers ago following an altercation with a 15-year-old Everton fan. Barton's behaviour on the pitch has also caused him to come in for criticism. In September last year he caused controversy for pulling down his shorts and exposing his bottom at an Everton fan during a match at Goodison Park, and, more recently, has been slammed for kicking a Sunderland player in the private parts during a game. Although he has not spoken to his brother Michael, 18, since he was 14, Barton has also come in for abuse by rival fans over his sibling's role in the murder of Anthony Walker two years ago.

Pud. what do I win? seems to me that Sam is as frustrated with the performances as we are which leads me to believe that they're failing to meet his and our expectations despite his efforts. Getting rid of him is not the answer now. I think any new appointment would enjoy a purple patch then slump back into mediochrity because he'll yet again lose the fickle crowd who will boo and hiss like panto audiences after two or three bad performances ont he bounce. Then his head will be called for by those fickle fans who will say anything is better than who-ever we've thrown millions at to get and we'll be right back at square one. We are the laughing stock of the premiership and it's the fans who want results immediately who perpetuate it. There's only one factor to blame for Big Sham's position, and thats himself, you can't point the finger of blame at the fans, apart from pockets of abuse, he's had support, his brand of Anti-football and his stuborness and lack of a plan B is his undoing, its not about expecting results, its about expecting to watch a team trying to win, with a level performance, spirit and comitment, and under Allardyce we've not seen it.

Then start an "Official Shearer Out Thread" thread. Zip it ball-bag.

agreed, but I wanted the same against Derby and Wigan.

Blaming players smacks of desperation.

Autumn ??

I'd cringe.