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Mackem in brazilian sheep's clothing

And yet our whole legal system is built on that premise!

Surely the compromise to let him wear an unbranded or differently branded shirt would be a call for the sponsors?? (wonga, not nufc)

I cant help feeling that the media have instigated/propogated this whole thing. reports were out a day or two after Wonga deal was announced that suggested/intimated that Tiote and Ben Arfa would likely not wear the shirt either. Apart from Kanoute has this issue EVER reared its head?? Given that a substantial proportion of the teams in the world are sponsored by financial/gambling companies then surely there must have been another incident?? As for Cisse, I get the gut feeling (based on little to no substantive knowledge,) that he has received some bad counsel, and that there is more to this than religious beliefs, as said by many how come the Virgin Money logo didnt offend him to any notable degree? Surely if his religion condemns the practice of charging interest on loans it is a "black and white" issue, in that there cannot be any shades of grey, It's either charged or not!! Perhaps there's some semblance of a silver lining in that he now has a week or so training alone, and if there is one person involved with the club who has five or more firing neurons then he will be on 8 hours a day offside training!!

Bravo, got all of them bar Debuchy, didnt have a scooby who the pic was. Excellent effort, do another tomorrow........ and every day after!

mouse-soco is a good un, not sure i get the centre forward (and weve only really got one.) Im thinking has to be Cisse, unless its Shola-Im-A-Zombie?) P.S - Sterling effort Fish!

gouff-flan??

tiote - titty am i right?

Everyone knows HIS name!

Reckon he was on about Altidore rather than Giaccherini mate, clue was "2 from 28 IN THIS LEAGUE" ...... no need to thank me lol

Spot on Ant, I honestly think that half the people "up in arms" at the wonga sponsorship are using this as another stick to beat Ashley/NUFC, and they are venting their spleen indirectlky through Wonga IMHO

beautifully put from the resident poet laureate

Arf Arf Arf

'Well I didn't agree with those slaps but you've admitted making mistakes so thanks so much for this pint'.

haha, no worries!

Moog Yes... and no. I can see that him removing the loans from banks or anyone else that would come knocking on the door for the money plus interest is good, in the short term. Which was the only point i made in my earlier post, despite others believing otherwise. It doesn't stop him being the vampire sitting at the door, who doesn't put anything extra in to the club. He's balanced the books by personally loaning the club a sufficient amount to do so, but at the same time any profit made by the club is the only real money made available to use on ambition. He's a businessman, not a football man and it shows in that the club is being run like a business - partially to the good I suppose but as a fan it makes things boring as hell because we'll forever be in a state of limbo apart from the occasional season where we will likely punch above or below our weight. He's definitely not heading down the Abramovich route, that's for sure, and I'll be amazed if this Financial Fair Play malarky swings ANY weight whatsoever in real terms, so I guess that we wont get any immediate benefit from balancing the books. I guess how much/any benefit we may get longer term will depend on how the team is built in the interim. Yeah, there's the also-rans like Tottenham and Liverpool but again they've been building for a while as we should have been. Tottenham have made themselves stronger by selling players for big money and reinvesting it (Berbatov, Modric) etc, although there comes a point where you have to say "We're getting close now, so we need to stop selling our best players" I guess if they intend to break the top four stranglehold they will need to keep hold of Bale, although if they sold him for BIG BIG money and reinvested it wisely they could potentially strengthen four or five positions, so they COULD be stronger as a result!! It's going to take us a long time of being a mediocre, mid-table selling club to make enough profit to pay Ashley off and truly break even, if it ever happens and no matter what Ashley will always want his money back when the ride stops. In that respect I can't see things ending up much different than when he bought the club unless someone richer than him buys it off him. Agree, it'll take quite a while to generate enough money to "repay the loan," which sucks, but I can't help thinking that that debt is due to the previous incumbents actions more than this one's (relegation didnt help granted!), albeit that it was generated by "showing ambition", which unfortunately didnt reap the rewards it may have. Crazily, whether anyone wants Ashley out of the club or wants him to succeed, this is probably the only way either of these things will happen! One thing I'm glad of is that I enjoyed our most recent golden eras of Keegan and Robson, I can't see anything like them happening again anytime soon and I feel sorry for all the kids who weren't around at the time and have only the shit that's followed to reflect on. I couldnt agree more mate, although being 35 I have missed out on Fairs Cup/FA Cups/League Winners era, which I would have LOVED to have seen firsthand, however being a Geordie I'm eternally hopeful that I'll see some measure of success above an intertoto title in my lifetime!!

Amazing, I clarify the fact that i was commenting only on the loan and the fact that for whatever reason it was done it has benefitted us, (and therefore him.) Despite it being spelled out for you, you still extrapolate the point back to the "Wider issue," what is wrong with you man, Howay man HMHM read what's been said you lull!! "If you think it's strange I and others should take offence to this then you're either a pretty strange Newcastle United fan or you have no real personal connections to this City/Club. I can half understand the latter but not the former." Yes, I DO think it's strange, strange that you cant realise that the comment i made was specific to the loan, and was not posted as a synopsis of his character/actions. Yes i find it strange that despite you claiming otherwise you simply HAVE to take it back to the playground stance i referred to. Can still see that albatross mate, even if you can't! Now, whereabouts did I "blow smoke up his arse" ?? Feel free to respond with some other astounding off-topic revelation on his satanic nature, it's what i expect from you anyhow! In an attempt to rescue an adult discussion however, I agree with the points you have made in regards to OTHER actions from him, the satdium naming and away ticket fiasco. This doesnt mean i am not then able to recognise the benefit of the loan. Black AND White mate, not Black OR White! Finally what exactly have your ears seen??

As I'm struggling to see it could you point out the bit where i blew smoke up his turtle guillotine??

And that is quite within your rights mate, as is those who think he's a saint..... just for clarification I dont sit in either of those pigeon-holes. I think he has done some decent things, and made some shocking decisions. I just laugh at all this "Ashley Lover/Ashley Hater" nonsense! I take it you can see the good his loan has done the club?? I take it you can see the damage some of his decisions have made??

Ah, I see you are quite firmly in the "black OR white" camp, you clearly hate him, therefore cant possibly acknowledge anything positive he may have done. Then there are the "Ashley Lovers," who have to defend EVERYTHING he's ever done, including the bad. What a juvenile mentality, Primary school at best. "I'm on this team so I have to act this way!" Have you ever considered growing up and joining the adult world?? The one where you can make your mind up based on the facts at hand, and should any new facts/information come to light, you are completely free to reconsider your standpoint and opinion without feeling like your cheating on your lass with her mother?? Honestly, give it a go, the waters warm my friend! The fact you have taken my comments to be "blowing smoke up his arse" is laughable, I commented ONLY on the fact that his loans have saved us millions in interest already, and i cant fathom how anybody could rule "EVIL DOINGS" against that! As you so clearly have taken more than a modicum of offence to my suggestion that this STANDALONE act has benifitted us, please enlighten me as to "The bad man's nasty plans" and how this act has further "ruined" us! If indeed you are unable to see the woods for the gargantuan hate spewing albatross that hangs around your neck then you are truly so narrow minded that i doubt your head casts a shadow. You remind me of a certain banned poster, given that a bias you currently hold wont allow any reconsideration of ANY point thats in the same fucking hemisphere!! Childish, brainwashed, stagnant, and amazingly ignorant spring to mind. In fact, im sure Hitler's rise to power was fuelled by the same "Black OR White" idiotic arsepieces. You've probably never noticed but we are supposed to be "Black AND White", which invariably leads to some shade of Grey! In summary, you can hate OR love the man, but ignoring any points that seem to contradict your current belief ONLY BECAUSE they contradict your current belief makes you so narrow minded your brain would fall through a hypodermic syringe! However, in the playground YOU play in who is going to notice eh??

I think that's the money he paid for the club plus the money he loaned us to pay off debts (YES we are now in debt to him to the amount, of THE LOAN, however as we are not paying any interest on the loan it is saving us millions in interest each and every year.) If he sells the club then yes that money will need to be paid back, but it wouldnt change the fact that his loan has saved us millions. I cant work out how people seem to think that loaning us the money had "evil intentions" on his part, frankly its fuckin bizarre

There are NO quotes attributed to Cisse in the last few months "speculative" stories, as has been said many times he happily wore the Virgin Money shirt (Virgin charge interest on their loans also!!), and most premier league teams have gambling/financial/loan/alcohol company sponsors, also the Premier League are sponsored by Barclays are they not (who also charge interest on THEIR loans). In short I agree with Fish! Lazy journalism from our "Southern Press Attack Squad"

two minutes in heaven is better than .. one minute in heaven!

That video has made me fall in love with the internet all over again, class!

OTF - regarding Elliot being lazy, couldn't be further from the truth mate!