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I want to be clear that I in no way judge or am critical of anyone in here for whatever views they have on this issue, or on wanting to find nuance. I am done though. I have been basically done with Starmer since the EU U-turn and he just keeps failing, over and over and over. He is now rivalling Farage in my eyes as he puts the same effort into wooing reform voters, and has the same disdain for urban Labour voters. Brace yourselves for chlorochicken, hatespeech, and a crackdown on schemes to support minorities, because they're all part of the trade deal demand too. The US also wants us to revisit the abortion debate, and while I cant quite believe that would happen yet, I am going to be really, really fucking interested in who the TERFs are turning to for support if it does.

If the frog boils quickly, it might realise it's dying. Although I really meant that I'm not going to worry about them winning when it next comes to vote. We're a long way from my fucking principles anyway now.

I just keep thinking back to how I was assured that if I just gave ground, if I stopped calling out Starmer's U-turns and Labour's inability to stand up for anything at all, it would all be ok. We'd reach power and then everything would be better. And now I feel like a prize fucking idiot because I knew it would be like this, and yet tried to convince myself otherwise. It's this, disability cuts, Brexit revisionism, weakness with Trump, weakness with everything. Constant pandering to people who aren't even listening, and don't represent this party's views. This is exactly what I feared from this version of Labour. All I have learned in the past few years is that if you give any ground at all, the slimy fucking toads will use it to take whatever they can. They deserve to be completely abandoned by the left and progressives, and I will be selling that to anyone who will listen. Bring on Reform, at least it's an enemy that isn't pretending to be something else.

This would be what we might call a slippery slope. A thin end of the wedge. "First they came for the trans people, but I said nothing, for I was not trans.." etc. https://www.advocate.com/politics/us-uk-trade-deal-lgbtq I'm sure it's just coincidence that the Trump administration is calling for hate speech laws against LGBTQ people to be dropped if we want this trade deal.

I always expect people to stick to their principles, all the supreme court has done is set the situation out per the law, which is fair but if we change the law tomorrow then they'd update their ruling to reflect that. He can't hide behind them because he actually has the power to change the legals around this. And beyond that, in all honesty did anyone expect me not to attack him over it? He's a flip flopper on basically every single issue.

Bethesda have re-released Oblivion But like, digitally remastered. It actually looks good. They both announced and released it today. That'll be them set for another decade.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crldey0z00ro Trans women are not women, says Keir Starmer, who is now in disagreement with the 2022 version of himself - this would be why we need to make a fuss on this, we're going backwards in time on these people's rights, and we're doing it with little to no evidence of any need.

It's literally this

"discovered" These people really have no fucking clue whatsoever what the scientific process is or who would be capable of making any such discoveries. It sure as hell wouldn't ever be career politicians.

This video is a couple of years old now, following an essay JK Rowling wrote about trans issues - so this is a video response to that, but it covers a lot of the same stuff. These two are super reasonable btw, it's framed calmly and non-hysterically, and also are at pains to stress that they agree that women's rights need to be protected. I've timestamped the video to start at the bit relevant to this discussion (only 5 mins), but the wider video is an hour long and worth a watch if you have serious interest - I showed it to my mother once (socially right wing Christian) and it totally flipped her on the issue. Just leaving it here in case anyone is interested.

This is absolutely my main issue with it. I don't have any issue with the legal clarification, and all the issue with the sorts of people who are celebrating it and what it might enable next.

The problem with that sentiment, well meaning as it is, is whose job it becomes to tell them it doesn't. We can't just say 'women feel threatened therefore we have to do this' because if we took that line across all aspects of life then men wouldn't be allowed outside after 9pm (and there's far more evidence which could support that than there is for banning trans women in women's bathrooms). So we naturally say 'well it's the politicians who have to decide it then', except they only see this whole situation as a voter spinner either positively or negatively. They're not incentivised to do the 'right' thing, because they are responding to the noise in the public sphere. If the noise is entirely one sided and people don't speak up for a need for actual evidence before enacting policy, then... I mean I don't know where that leads us honestly, but nowhere good.

Aside from that, it's also generally a bit risky to have open discord links that are set to permanent. Could be massed joined by mackems, fans of other clubs, and yes... the many, many faces of Quiff.

Alright everyone - we've set up a basic discord server just in case of outages in future (and we created an emergency match thread channel too, just in case we get a repeat of this weekend!) There's no obligation at all to sign up to this, it is not replacing the main site, it's just there for when this falls over. We have no way to communicate with most people when this site goes down, so this could be a useful tool for that in future. I will add that if this site was ever irrecoverable for whatever reason, having the ability to contact everyone would help keep the community together. I'm not going to post the discord link publicly for obvious reasons, but if people could DM myself or one of the other mods directly, we can share the link privately. When you do sign in, please change your discord handle within the server to your TT username - or ping me on discord and I'll do it for you. Should the site go down in future, updates will be posted in the discord (as well as potentially via Patreon).

Admittedly wasn't really about that game so much as their wider situation but I can see how fate was tempted Beating Fulham or not, they're a club that seems to be in a very weird place right now.

I'd fancy the cat against most of the ones I see day to day

Against mountain lions?

Chelsea sound like they're in the wars mind. Fans and manager at each other's throats. I think they're out of this race tbh, it's going to be 3 slots for 4 teams.

She's trying to provide for the family As much as it's annoying to you, it's some cat tbf. In bygone days she would have been held aloft as some sort of wondercat, bringing rabbits home.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/apr/20/nigel-farage-defends-allowing-us-chlorinated-chicken-into-uk-as-part-of-trade-deal Because of course he does

Yeah I think it makes sense for people to join up ahead of any issues but it's obviously going to be at individual discretion. Just need to be thoughtful about the way we do it to prevent abuse/access from undesirables

We've agreed to set one up for emergency use so I'll sort that in the next day or so.

You don't think ours would be fast moving?? It'd be wall to wall unfiltered, uninterupted Gemmill. Is that something you want to see

I like discord too but with an active community it can quickly become chaotic and I don't think you'd get as many distinct threads. You could turn on slowdown to suppress messages of course but I'm yet to see that be enacted in a way that isnt tedious. Also here you can browse a conversation at your leisure on a single topic. Discord you'd have a smaller group of channels meaning multiple simultaneous conversations all overlapping with each other. Some people would login and see they've missed 300 messages - they just won't read them, so conversations will become more focused on active participants rather than community discussion. I've been on discord for 8 years now, it's a great platform in many ways but I don't think it would be a suitable replacement for here. We'd lose members in the switch.

Discord is for active continuous mass conversation so the format wouldn't work as a replacement for here. Forums encourage longer form responses whereas discord is really just chat. But as a backup, I think it's a good idea. I had the same thought yesterday.