Rayvin

Even I'm struggling to have sympathy with him. At some point in that continuous cycle of decline and poor judgment he should have stood up and done something to stop it. It's all well and good saying he's see everything correctly now, and I hope he is, but he took a long fucking time to do it. His journey in life may be much better from here, but he destroyed himself despite the efforts of a great many people around him. At least he seems to acknowledge that on some level. Hope he's a better father than he was a professional.

I see this thread has gone in a very traditional TT direction.

I thought we played well, did what we could, but between injuries to key players and Dortmund just being a very good team, we couldn't find a way through. The commentators kept going on about how we needed to win this game etc but I was just sat there proud of the team and enjoying it. First time back in 20 years, who gives a shit really if we qualify or not. Still fancy us to beat Milan anyway so should get 3rd at least. Tino MOTM on our side, looks a really good player.

Never a booking on Hall. Honestly think we've been decent overall though except for the goal which was a bit of a mess. I can see us scoring tbh.

If we were full strength I'd fancy us to be making a serious run at being 'best of the rest' this season tbh.

Specs?

Well that's been a pretty fantastic weekend of results for us!

Superb player. I feel like he would walk straight into most back lines in the top ten tbh. Are there any better ball playing CBs in the league? Not for my money.

Totally agree, and I ended up thinking this yesterday myself. He's the best manager we've had in the PL era and that is no disrespect to the monumental achievements of Robson and Keegan, but simply speaks volumes as to how incredibly good Howe is. I hope he's here for the next decade or more frankly.

They didn't even lose 3 points man, they lost 1. Is this really that big a deal? They may not like it but the logic behind the decisions is clear as day. They have to find a clear reason to chalk it off, they couldn't, it's done. I would assume at some point in history Arsenal sat down and approved that particular rule/failed to raise an objection when all this was coming out, so they have absolutely no leg to stand on. The Liverpool one was totally different because that was a bit of a fuck up based on human error in process, but this is VAR doing what it's meant to do by the book.

Aye, absolutely love Gordon. Really intelligent player with a lot of skill, energy and passion. Post game interview when he was talking about how he used to obsess about goals and assists and now just focuses on being trustworthy for the manager. Love it. Great attitude.

Well that was pretty special Am going to be digging into the Arsenal forum on this one...

Fractures forming in global Jewish communities over this. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/04/us-jews-rift-gaza-israel-crisis

That's fair enough but he'll get my vote when he grows a pair. I'm just too angry to do everyone on the other side of our leanings the kindness to moving on.

Well I sway between spoiling my ballot and voting for a party that I feel is well enough aligned. Either way it gets counted.

And it will remain that way forever if we keep making the choice you've outlined. I am just beyond it now.

I'll make a call on what I'm voting for after manifesto release tbf, and if Labour actually stick PR or something in there I'll snap back to them without question. Reality is though I have the luxury of being able to take a principled stance this time because Labour are on course for an absolute landslide. Consequently I would argue that my views are best served by being a vote Starmer lost, rather than one he was able to take for granted. Sends a louder message I think (not that I personally have any relevance at all).

I'm still not voting for them btw despite that inspiring intervention

Your principles are your own, mine are my own. I'm going to ask though, are you happy you voted for him? And if not, what is the lesson to be learned?

The nerve of this considering his pre-match predictions in recent times mind

I think they could push their advantage here, they could be proposing some really strong stuff and still get a landslide IMO. But they're so traumatised by recent history that apparently we're going to get the safest of safe. I would do it differently yes but then I'm not a politician.

So the question I have here, is that given Labour doesn't need a 236 seat majority to form a government, how much more left wing and progressive could they be while still having a majority? I'd rather they had a few more useful policies than 200 seats they don't need. Anyway clearly my vote isn't going to be missed

This. Russia is perfectly set up to be the second coming of the Nazis, right down to the far right philosophical bullshit.

Good point. Its frustrating in a way because we all know we can and should be winning this game but with injuries as they are and the number of games to contend with, this just feels like a somewhat inevitable reality. We'll get there in the end in terms of squad depth but yeah, not yet. I'm impressed we didn't lose. I do feel like I agree the subs should have been made earlier but that's only really based on what everyone was saying in here during the game.

This game sounds stressful as fuck just from reading everyone's comments in here