Rayvin

These people are getting a platform whether we like it or not. The internet sees to that. So to stick to what you're saying we need wide ranging censorship that cracks down on all views outside if a certain window. Thus driving them underground and bringing us closer to actual fascism. The BBC has not covered itself in glory with coverage I agree, but the cat is long out of the bag now and is happening all over the world. The far right is rising and we do nothing because we believe simply not talking about it will make them go away. People need to be better educated politically, and their grievances need to be understood however uncomfortable they may be to hear.

But the problem with that seems to be that they're growing in number. By not tackling their ignorance, we have allowed the hate peddlers to tell them what their problems are, which is why we have a woman blaming the EU for what i assume are Muslim grooming gangs. This needs to be dealt with, not ignored. All we are doing is surrendering the narrative.

This is true.

Alternative? You want them shot? We need to listen so we can understand and fight it properly.

After the perfect behaviour of the Remain march last week, we are now of course seeing scuffles with police, threats and jeering towards politicians, and general douchebaggery from the Leave crowd.

I stand by my standing prediction. Indicative votes, favourable outcome, PV. Possible GE. May's MV4 curve ball a slight concern.

May is apparently considering running MV3 against the consensus option discovered on Monday She's such a bastard.

Her speech looks like acceptance. "In just 14 days’ time.This is not enough time to agree, legislate for and ratify a deal, and yet the House has been clear it will not permit leaving without a deal. And so we will have to agree an alternative way forward. The European Union has been clear that any further extension will need to have a clear purpose and will need to be agreed unanimously by the heads of the other 27 member States ahead of 12 April."

And so she has lost. Finally.

I trust none of them.

Doesn't seem to have saved them though... Labour sounding confident?

Seems the threat of Boris Johnson as PM is doing enough to deter Labour from switching. Maybe May's incompetence has done us a final favour with that.

Hoey seemed to just indicate she'd vote against...

Yeah ok, DUP don't seem at all convinced to go for this based on what they're saying at the moment.

Imagine if May hadn't gone for the 2017 election. This deal would go through no question.

Yeah maybe but I don't like the slow drip of MPs swinging to her side...

This is encouraging but still, there's time left and as you mentioned before, the DUP might be moving (and they would carry 10).

EU confirm we can leave with just the withdrawal agreement...

Because of course they are. So if we avoid this, it will be through the sheer incompetence of the diehard ERGs. The whole thing is just ludicrous.

At this point, surely any Labour MP that votes for this deal, in full knowledge that it probably means Boris Johnson as PM, has to be kicked to the curb at the next election. Anyway, if the DUP are voting it down alongside what, about 30 ERG extremists? So she'd need something like the same number of Labour rebels. I think that would be completely unforgivable from Labour.

Fair enough.

SNP slamming Labour MPs now for considering voting for the deal. EDIT - There seems to be some serious concern that a significant number of Labour MPs might go that way actually... surely not?

I recall that the EU's offer only referenced the withdrawal agreement. But you're right, whether that's legally the position or not, I don't know - but again, you would think the EU would have clarified if the Tories had jumped the gun on it. Anyway, it's still going to die. The DUP seem hard against and Bill Cash (No Dealer) was just up refusing to vote for it. Short of a significant number of Labour rebels, she's still fucked.

Tory strategy for today appears to be threatening MPs with the prospect that voting the deal down today could lead to a straight choice between No Deal or Revoke, since there is 'no guarantee that the EU would give us an extension'. I note that none of the EU politicians have come out with anything reassuring about this today so far, but they have done previously.