Rayvin

Didn't Greive table a motion to have it eliminated as an option? What became of that?

Remain sorts the whole mess out economically by giving us the best outcome possible. No Deal sorts the whole mess out politically by giving the fuckwits what they want and letting them suffer the consequences as a learning experience. Everything in between is harmful economically and won't be sufficient to make the political point that needs to be made. We may as well betray the gammons because anything short of No Deal and they will believe we did anyway. That said i was thinking it would be resolved through a PV.

I'm kinda glad the Norway option is dead since Remain and No Deal are the only options that actually solve anything properly. That said, does this mean Mays deal has slightly more chance of getting through parliament? It would mean that if Mps vote it down, they're basically either throwing the country into No Deal or betraying the public with remain. Are our politicians brave enough for either option...

Have just read that the kid is in court for assault, it's no longer considered racially aggravated. Also makes the claim that they had been on good terms until a previous altercation earlier that day. Now that's the bully saying this, but the courts are indeed not looking at it from a racial viewpoint anymore. This doesn't sit well with me now. Take the racial thing out of it and it's actually not that bad. I saw far worse at school. Did the media have any proof that this was racially aggravated or have they just blown this out of all proportion? You mentioned he came from a racist family.. how was this verified? And even if true, is there any evidence that this kid has acted in a racially hateful way in the past? The kid is still a bully either way, but I've seen far fucking worse than that if it's just two boys having issues with each other.

How much is a vast swathe though.

Roughly which UK league is the MLS equivalent to these days?

This.

I think Labour's Brexit stance to date has been pathetic and entirely fucking pointless. See how easy it is to criticise your own side and still continue to function as a human being?

Why are you incapable of being critical of the Tories? If Labour had produced the shitshow we're seeing now, I'd be furious with them.

Sorry Strawb, that's probably the last thing you need after the year you've had. You're a good grandson for making so much time for him though, it'll mean everything to him I'm sure.

Saying Cameron is a hero for offering us a referendum is like praising the parent of a toddler who has been furnished with a handgun and then shot itself. We the people were too fucking stupid to vote on this CT. We had no clue what we wanted, no clue what the EU was, how it affected our lives and what leaving would mean. And he fucking knew this but did it anyway. He's a sociopath at best. At best!

What about ITV?

If that amendment goes through and Mays deal is voted down, surely we're looking at a second vote with a binary option. Mays deal or Remain.

I just want the Tories disbanded

If we end up staying in on a technicality like that, after all of this, then the Tory party should be forcibly disbanded for being the biggest fucking waste of the country's time and money since world war one.

So wait, you think that if Mays deal is voted down we'll end up revoking article 50 and staying? Isn't there a democratic fallout to that?

Was kinda tongue in cheek that time

I see what you're saying but honestly, Corbyn has been so invisible since then that I genuinely do think his sudden visibility might be a surprise to the electorate once more.

What is a gay seminar...

I am indeed. Her campaign was poor but i dont see why it wouldn't be this time. You think she's going to discover some charisma down the back of the sofa? It was more Corbyn than her. Actually forget that, it was more Momentum than either of them.

I would argue that the difference is that his baseline starting position in the polls is much better now than it was last time, so a similar perfect storm this time will be enough. Remember he was around the mid 20s last time...

Yeah, agree with that too. I said further up that i dont think we'll get one. This all came about because AH was calling Corbyn out for not being front and centre on this issue and i was merely trying to suggest that he needs to pick his moment because, as everyone keeps saying, the masses are fed up of Brexit and campaigning on it before it's actually meaningful may be detrimental. Then i got pulled into a GE debate but initially, the above was all i wanted to say..!

Agreed, so... I'm gonna stick with my view on this

No one, but I'm backing myself on this one after my successes with Trump and the previous GE (measured success at least)

You dont think that would have happened? Neither of those two parties would have joined with or sought to enable the Tories. Anyway who cares, it didn't happen. I have a lot of respect for your view, and Renton's, and i dont dismiss your opinions generally, but neither of you have a great track record in predicting the political landscape. I think Renton has admitted as much multiple times. Corbyn IMO is simply waiting for the moment, when a GE is called, to go on the front foot. Presumably on the basis that people are stupid and have short memories. That much makes sense to me. His Brexit holding position is ludicrous but other than that he hasn't done a lot wrong by me. If he has a narrow poll margin either way when a GE is called, he'll win it.