Rayvin

Can't fault that like, taking the piss out of themselves Fair enough.

Sigh.

OK look, I just went and researched it myself - they're not specific individuals, and the artist claims to have depicted white and Jewish bankers as a criticism of the class system etc etc, but that it wasn't intended to be antisemitic. I rather suspect that it was intended to be antisemitic based on that comment, as I don't see the need to have 'white and jewish'. Why not just 'bankers'. If there was a single Star of David on there, I would probably concede this point. But to me, they just looked like rich white men running the world and crushing the rest of us. Does it make me anti-semitic that I haven't assumed these men were Jewish?

Well I haven't noticed. I can see the references to the Illuminati, freemasons and the NWO but that's not a Jewish specific phenomenon. Who are the men depicted?

Wouldn't Parky just have backed the antisemite angle and said it was true? I'm asking for someone to explain to me if those men are actually meant to be Jewish. Cos honestly, it might just be that I'm checking on my phone or whatever, but they just look like rich white guys to me.

...yeah if cynicism is all we have going on as evidence of antisemitism here I'm going to ignore it.

Yeah I wouldn't mind him going as long as the party remained on the left. If they go back to the centre they lose my vote but I had made peace with that after the Miliband farce so it's not hugely significant for me I suppose. More concerned about my principles than his.

I dunno tbh, he must be sick of his MPs running to the guardian and bitching about things by now. Maybe its the timing? Local elections around the corner etc. Maybe there is a tougher line on this now. At the end if the day, on the face of it, its reasonable to expel someone who defies the party line. If Smith thinks it unfair because of Abbot, then I'll accept that it was. If he says nothing, then there's probably something else going on that we can't see.

Ok i had no idea what was wrong with that at first. Wealthy white guys playing monopoly on the backs of the poor and minorities. Sounds about right and is totally standard fare for the current art scene. Then it turns out that they are meant to be wealthy Jewish guys? And then we have antisemitism in the mix, and cardinal sins being committed. Curious though, are the individuals portrayed specific people or just random stereotypical 'jews'. If specific people, are they all Jewish? Are they actually wealthy white guys who made money off the backs of the poor? Need more info really.

Didnt he write it in the Guardian? Did she, or was hers an off the cuff remark?

Brave man. RIP.

Why is him sacking Smith a bad thing? I'm not really following tbh, it's not a challenge, I'm genuinely curious.

Fucking disgraceful. I genuinely can't believe the Europeans were even saddened by Brexit, they must be desperate to be shot of us.

I do have a broad spectrum of beliefs. Don't remember denigrating women like, unless you believe feminism = women.

Why is the British option so much more expensive anyway? Surely it's not long for this world if it can be undercut so much by this French manufacturer. Those 40 countries will, you would think, go elsewhere.

It's an entirely hypocritical position. They seem to be asking for the government waste money on a more expensive British option on the one hand, whilst on the other demanding that they curtail benefits and cut down investment into public service. Actually tbh I'm not sure about that last bit, I could just about imagine that the DM come down on the side of public sector workers on some things.

17.4 million at least.

I remember that Gloom would make this argument a lot - the media just following the trends of how people are. I can see that side of it for sure, and maybe it's like a vicious and expanding circle to a degree. You start off with some racist, nationalistic fuckheads - the newspaper panders to them - and then more people are 'won' over by increasingly sensationalised bullshit. What makes me think that the media don't lead as much now though, is the prevalence of relatively far right (alt right) platforms and individuals now beginning to gain traction with the mainstream. Conventional media has clearly enabled them and set the scene in people's minds for a conversion further to the right, but I think control may be out of their hands to some degree now. The Daily Mail, IMO, only really speaks to old people who don't like to be challenged, and stupid people, who don't like to be challenged. I doubt anyone of any intellectual capacity considers it to be anything other than unmitigated shite.

It's pointless to even say it these now because it's such a cliché, but honestly, i fucking hate the daily mail.

Thin end of the wedge with Obama though, same as with his Presidential proclamations.

Does he have any actual advisors anymore? It's actually bizarre that what we're getting is Trump Unchained. You'd think people would be keeping him under control to some degree, and yet...

You know me too well. I mean I read RTG quite a bit because schadenfreude is something that gives my life meaning, but I can see that the number of 'mag' threads has fallen off a cliff. They've retreated into the 6 in a row as the final hope to ward of abject misery and humiliation. In reality they would dread playing us now, because if we played them 10 games in a row, we would win all 10. They will be keenly aware of this.

I really dont think many of them do care, i think they just want to defend themselves with something.

He has been gone too long tbf - wonder if the deep state caught up with him.