Rayvin

Agreed, it isn't - but it does actually matter. Depressingly. The "SJW debate" is why we have street fights between Antifa and Trump supporters in the US. Many people have argued that a rejection of identity politics and associated political correctness issues have had a hand in recent electoral victories for right wingers as well. Not the most pressing, but bizarrely, does seem to play a part.

Sargon is worth checking out if for no other reason than seeing that there is actually a narrative aside from the mainstream one, and he seems to be a good barometer for how the populists think. He's supporting Le Pen for France (predictably): I don't actually back his views on this, but I think it offers a good insight (plus some of the footage he has is a bit fucking scary) into how some people view it. Interesting. I have little time for Milo apart from occasionally enjoying watching him wind people up. I'm certain he's only in it for the money.

To be fair, I don't think his issue is sexual frustration. His topics span far more than feminism and cover all sides of the SJW debate. He believes he's in a culture war and seems to spend his entire life waging it. He believes what he says as much as the SJWs believe what they say.

Thunderfoot is tedious and incredibly annoying to listen to. What I've come to learn is that everyone says feminism is about equality. And most normal, right thinking people actually do consider it to be about equality. And are satisfied when it reaches this point. These people aren't, I believe, the ones he goes after. He tends to rail against those who use feminism as a vehicle for pushing beyond the point of equality. At the end of the day a great many people have invested large amounts of their lives in feminism, and the fact that we're now rapidly approaching the point where it is no longer relevant (in younger generations, in a number of areas, we have hit this point, what with boys being left behind at school, making up fewer numbers of university admissions, and being paid less than women until they're 30). But these people need it to keep going because it is their livelihood. And or because they've internalised so much of it that they simply can't stop. But look, either way, his feminism stuff isn't actually massively interesting. His stuff on the media has been far more enlightening He also correctly called Brexit and Trump fwiw. Seems to have a better reading of the populist mood than most. EDIT - he gets paid $5k/month plus his Youtube ad revenue for doing what he does though, so I will say that I think he has a vested interest in appealing to his audience rather than always being entirely honest.

Feminism does not equal women. It is an ideology.

I don't for certain know what a spear tackle is, but it sounds like the correct approach.

He's married but I guess it could be loveless. In fact, I think he has kids so he must have managed it at least once Why do you think he's a misogynist?

Absolutely this

I know he has, it's just that I don't believe him. Saying something doesn't make it true. At my most generous I'd consider him left wing by American standards. Not by ours though. This isn't to say I don't think he makes many valuable points though.

Not on his EU stance I don't. Also, I tend to watch things that give me a more balanced viewpoint - I actually follow a number of SJW channels as well Sargon tends to be relevant for discussions on here in terms of opening people's eyes a bit to what the media don't report. On the other hand, he's a right winger claiming to be left wing, so I consider him to be disingenuous in that sense.

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I imagine that's the kind of sentiment that resulted in her doing what she does

Aye, don't think we can criticise them for that call.

I just want to add the following classic from the Guardian, to enrich this debate: How Thomas the Tank Engine is racist. And sexist. And other things. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/22/thomas-the-tank-engine-children-parents

That vid is very true tbf. With the caveat, as ever, that there remains no rational reason for anyone at the bottom to vote Tory. Le Pen and Trump make more sense.

Interesting. But you think she's aiming for next time? I don't think the issues will go away so I suppose that's a reasonable strategy for her. World might move on though. Hopefully the left proposes some meaningful solutions that don't involve being insanely far right.

Le Pen is, curiously, more pro-State than Macron. That's a weird one actually - totally supports the idea that he's a Neo-liberalist I guess but rather compromises the view that he is centre-left, I would have thought?

What a world we live in.

Then we're going to be re-running this scenario in 5 years time. But I guess it keeps the EU going for a bit at least. Maybe we can sort our own problems out by then and be in a stronger position when the inevitable does come to pass.

Ok but every post on here is arguably a waste of time by that measure. I find the intellectual stimulation of open debate to be worthwhile though.

Yep. Dunno why the inconsistencies and failures of the system shouldn't be pointed out at every available opportunity though. Especially when the self same system has us Brexiting. And has the yanks in the clutches of an absolute headcase.

Do people really just sit there as you climb over them? Fair enough keeping the aisle seat but surely they could just stand up and let you access the other one easily.

Centre doesn't always means establishment - establishment is the same tired political parties in the same battles with the same policies. In fairness I know nothing about Macron's policies but it does sound like more of the same.

Why would that be a reason not to moan about it? I would say that scenario would be one of the most compelling reasons to complain, frankly.