Renton

Australia: population density 3 people per km2. UK: population density 273 people per km2. London: population density 5643 per km2. Yet London is full of you ozzie cunts!

Am I allowed to say "naive" here? If farage wins that's the end of the UK. He's promised the moon on a stick because that's what these popularists do, but I wouldnt expect him to honour a single election promise. A reform victory would simply be the final nail in the coffin for this country. I know you're incredibly despondent about the UK at the minute but I for one still feel things are worth fighting for and want a future for my children. The political landscape is incredibly unstable at the moment. Starmer has made mistakes, which he has admitted and apologised for, but the vitriol against him from all sides is off the scale. He doesn't deserve it imo. And Farage will NEVER be the answer, I would never trust a word he says.

They've absolutely lost it like. Almost none of them fear relegation, many think they will finish above us.

He needs to get a grip tbh.

Well you fucking moved there, aye?

Well he was before my time really but my impression from my parents was he wasn't a good local MP. I think it's on record he barely ever uttered a word in parliament. MPs of that length should be able to point to something they have done. Also, I disagree that somehow back in the 70s people voted on the basis of locality. If anything back then it was much more partisan and people voted for the party of their class. The map was red in the North, Blue in the South, with a few brummy cunts swinging it for Thatcher in the middle. A vote for Trotter was a vote for Thatcher. I would never vote Tory for any reason under any circumstances, ever.

I've genuinely never heard anyone have anything good to say about Neville Trotter mind. He did absolutely fuck all of note in his protracted time as an MP other than hold back good people like Paddy Cosgrove imo. Thankfully the last tory MP ever to win in Tyne and Wear I believe.

Even the name man.

Over broken glass.

Lads, I feel like we're a bunch of feral charvers laying into TP curled up in the foetal position on the ground. Its not his fault he's from a generation of cunts. And more to the point, if we were born into that generation we'd be cunts too. Whisper it quietly but if you were born in Sunderland you'd be a mackem. Peace and love everyone.

I'm not sure the absolute numbers are the most important here, but older people are more likely to vote so that gives them disproportionate weight. Often they are ferried in by the local conservative party around here. Which is obviously fair enough, although I can understand younger voters feeling disenfranchised. I'm not giving them pelters. I mean, the uproar over WFA. Meanwhile, families with young children on the bread line get fuck all. Don't they need to be kept warm? I don't recall many pensioners pointing this out.

Oh come on. Really? All those things happened in the 80s. The tellys, kitchen gadgets, foreign holidays, Bigg market clobber etc. Okay, not phones as they weren't invented, but id say people keep their phones much longer than they did in the early days. But we're all guilty of it anyway, it's just wrong to pin consumerism with the young who were bought up by the previous generation anyway. You're being too defensive. Its not all older people. But there is a sizable demographic that not only have massively benefitted from when they were born, particularly in regards to education, housing, and pensions, but actively sneer at the young in precisely the way Fish has described.

This is 2019 data but you get the gist.

Wow man, so what you're actually saying is Andrew is from Silicon Valley and we on Toontastic are all part of the algorithm, man? I have one fact that destroys this theory.

We all know Keith from the SMB is thick as pigshit and boring as fuck to boot. Perhaps he has some emotional intelligence after hearing about the tragic death of Diego Jota? Nah, of course not, time for another boring as fuck driving anecdote from the brain donor.

This x1000. My mum, with her prinlvate pension she got part time as a clerk (would be minimum wage now), my dad's teacher pension still paid after his death, and the state pension, is on more money than most 30 year old graduates in full time work. No mortgage of course. Now undoubtedly I'll be a beneficiary of this, and my kids will be pn my death. But that is fucking wrong, life just becomes a lottery on how rich your parents are. For those from disadvantaged backgrounds, well, you are fucked my son. Social mobility really isn't a thing in this country any more. The only difference between Labour and the Tories is the former want it to be, whereas the latter don't. But increasingly it doesn't matter, the outcome is the same.

The "old' have enabled conservative government's all my life. They vote for policies to enrich themselves at the expense of the young. And Brexit. It's not all old people of course, including exemptions for your good self I'm sure. But it is still a general truth. The older my mum has got, the more bigoted and judgmental she has become. Seems to me that this happens to a lot of older people as they age. I hope I end up more like you TP than her tbh. It scares me I might end up like that.

Its not often the subject in this thread shocks me but this has. 10 days married. Life is cruel.

He's right though. The young have been inexplicably shafted by the old. I am much nearer the old camp than the young camp, and it still makes me feel sick tbh.

Aye, vindicated.

You're talking like the markets are some abstract thing. They're not, Truss's budget completely fucked my mortgage and my finances, and there's millions of people like me. And then there's the national debt to think about, and the interest to be paid which will push up the deficit and fuck public services even more. Labour were actually pretty clear on what they would do, or at least what they wouldn't do, raise working taxes. They've kept their pledges and are still vilified for it. I agree I'd like Brexit reversed. But this will have to be a gradual incremental move. And it will have to be done with agreement with all thee 27 EU countries and even some regions. Its not going to be a short process, and considering many EU countries are also struggling economically, it's also not a panacea.

Read the subtitles you lazy sod! I took someone's advice and waited for S3 so now can binge the lot. The first series ended pretty perfectly for me so this does reek of "lost" money spinning to me.