Renton

Oh come on. Really? All those things happened in the 80s. The tellys, kitchen gadgets, foreign holidays, Bigg market clobber etc. Okay, not phones as they weren't invented, but id say people keep their phones much longer than they did in the early days. But we're all guilty of it anyway, it's just wrong to pin consumerism with the young who were bought up by the previous generation anyway. You're being too defensive. Its not all older people. But there is a sizable demographic that not only have massively benefitted from when they were born, particularly in regards to education, housing, and pensions, but actively sneer at the young in precisely the way Fish has described.

This is 2019 data but you get the gist.

Wow man, so what you're actually saying is Andrew is from Silicon Valley and we on Toontastic are all part of the algorithm, man? I have one fact that destroys this theory.

We all know Keith from the SMB is thick as pigshit and boring as fuck to boot. Perhaps he has some emotional intelligence after hearing about the tragic death of Diego Jota? Nah, of course not, time for another boring as fuck driving anecdote from the brain donor.

This x1000. My mum, with her prinlvate pension she got part time as a clerk (would be minimum wage now), my dad's teacher pension still paid after his death, and the state pension, is on more money than most 30 year old graduates in full time work. No mortgage of course. Now undoubtedly I'll be a beneficiary of this, and my kids will be pn my death. But that is fucking wrong, life just becomes a lottery on how rich your parents are. For those from disadvantaged backgrounds, well, you are fucked my son. Social mobility really isn't a thing in this country any more. The only difference between Labour and the Tories is the former want it to be, whereas the latter don't. But increasingly it doesn't matter, the outcome is the same.

The "old' have enabled conservative government's all my life. They vote for policies to enrich themselves at the expense of the young. And Brexit. It's not all old people of course, including exemptions for your good self I'm sure. But it is still a general truth. The older my mum has got, the more bigoted and judgmental she has become. Seems to me that this happens to a lot of older people as they age. I hope I end up more like you TP than her tbh. It scares me I might end up like that.

Its not often the subject in this thread shocks me but this has. 10 days married. Life is cruel.

He's right though. The young have been inexplicably shafted by the old. I am much nearer the old camp than the young camp, and it still makes me feel sick tbh.

Aye, vindicated.

You're talking like the markets are some abstract thing. They're not, Truss's budget completely fucked my mortgage and my finances, and there's millions of people like me. And then there's the national debt to think about, and the interest to be paid which will push up the deficit and fuck public services even more. Labour were actually pretty clear on what they would do, or at least what they wouldn't do, raise working taxes. They've kept their pledges and are still vilified for it. I agree I'd like Brexit reversed. But this will have to be a gradual incremental move. And it will have to be done with agreement with all thee 27 EU countries and even some regions. Its not going to be a short process, and considering many EU countries are also struggling economically, it's also not a panacea.

Read the subtitles you lazy sod! I took someone's advice and waited for S3 so now can binge the lot. The first series ended pretty perfectly for me so this does reek of "lost" money spinning to me.

Just watching C4 news. Apparently the markets flipped when they thought she might have resigned, but calmed when Labour confirmed she was safe. This is the issue we have now, if Labour don't do what the markets want, the bond yield rises and we're all fucked. Starmer and Reeves are constantly between a rock and a hard place here. Its easy to snipe from the sidelines but I'm just not hearing from the Tories, Reform, Liberal Dems, Greens or Labour Left what the answer is. "Wealth tax" seems to be the cry but how would this work in practice, would it spook the markets, or would it have other unforeseen consequences? None of this is easy.

So, it's obviously officially summer, so I set up my lovely Frame TV you'll all remember about to display a special collection of summer art work. This picture came on. Whey I thought, as any normal person would, let's scan the crowd to see how many Mag shirts I could find. None, zip, nada. But what's this? The only footy shirt on this art exhibit was an MLF! QED or summat.

Sounds like s bit of a nerve from Badenoch that mind. I mean surely the come back is obvious?

Right, now combine with mine and sort out my dialect for @Gemmill 👍

I dunno, makes perfect sense if you read what he really said. "“What is a club in any case? Not the sheyds or the peyple in maroon pants who are peyd to represent it. It’s not the television contracts in the third division marra, nar get-out clauses we didn’t have for that Jack Rodwell, not the non-existent marketing departments or executive boxes, ‘cos we have none. It’s not the noise, the passyen, or the feeling of belonging, neither, none of that. The pride in your city lolz. It’s a small boy clambering up stedyium steps for the very first time, on his free school ticket, gawping at the litter on that hallowed stretch of turf beneath him and, without being able to do a thing about it, singing “falling in love” by Elvis marra and claiming it as wors”.

Aye, they should come out to local music themselves. I suggest Nelly the Elephant by the toy dolls or John Kettley is a weatherman by tribe of toffs. 👍

That'll be those camels, famous for not needing to drink water?

I had to have a 24 urine collection to check my kidney function once. They gave me this 4 litre plastic collector thing cos they needed to know the volume as well as analysing it for various things. So I kept it under my desk at the hospital, took it home, next day still 6 hours to collect. I'd been dehydrated so I was worried it was less than half full, so in the last few hours I started drinking gallons of water. But then I couldn't stop pissing. I remember just being able to stop as it was overfilling, then stumbling off to the path lab to hand it over as I grabbed my crotch to stop pissing myself. Fun times. I was fine BTW, thanks for asking.

Meanwhile, this lad is upset that Going Home is our theme tune, maybe someone should let Mark Knopfler know it's used? Oh. Also maybe someone should contact Elvis yo see if he's okay with them using "Wise men say" [sic]?

I dunno, remember the detail that one about the crisp with lions head went into? A quick Google lens revealed the pointless lie in milliseconds.

Great question, I dunno. I can only guess because Labour's strategists are absolutely fucking useless.

As others I can't say I understand what it's like in London but I'm surprised at this because I think the vast majority of people were sympathetic to Israel at this stage. But, as I said because Hamas is a proscribed terrorist group, I'm not sure what any march would be meant to achieve? The condemnation of Hamas was near universal and Hamas was not supported by our government. Whereas our government has, rightly or wrongly, been seen as complicit in the hugely disproportionate genocidal response, and that's why there is protests imo. I'll leave it there, like I said in my first post I'm acutely aware of the sensitivities involved. At the end of the day nothing anybody does here will have any alrffect, I just hope the hatred bred in that part of the World stops being a contagion.