Alex

He raised several other points though. Also, the council tax 'freeze', as has been demonstrated, wasn't actually a freeze. It was a cap on how much council tax could go up. It's a slightly different thing. It's also debatable that it's a good thing. You've got councils having to double the amount of childcare they provide (something else you raise as a good thing) but, rather than being given extra funding, they are actually having less funding in real terms. So I would ask how they are supposed to find the money to provide something they've been forced to bring in. I've covered the Syria / Iraq stuff in the posts I've just made. You're not interested in proper discussion. Just saying you are and calling other people childish doesn't mask that. Continually repeating it when people are trying to debate with you is childish however. It's this reason (amongst others) why people tend to say you're not worth bothering with after a few attempts. You then hold this up and some sort of victory or 'scalp' Which is also pretty childish and precisely the sort of lack of interest in actual debate which you accuse others of.

Almost as funny as Duty Free that.

Also, were it not for Labour, who knows how deeply mired we may have been in the Syria conflict by now. If you look at how gung ho some were over getting involved there then it's not really much of a stretch to believe they'd have done the same in 2003 in the post-9/11 climate. It's certainly difficult to believe they wouldn't have approved sending troops to Afghanistan.

I don't think you'd find many people of any political persuasion who agree with the invasion of Iraq. It's legality is highly debatable however. As is the notion a Conservative government would have behaved any differently.

Proper teenage angsty but still one of my favourite books.

Just reading Hangover Square by Patrick Hamilton. Heard lots about him and have been meaning to read it for ages. It's class. He's the bloke who wrote, amongst other things, the play Rope which Hitchcock made into a classic.

Why don't you do what you accused me of not doing then? I.e. dissect each of his points in detail. That's a rhetorical question, obviously.

The first link he clicked on he didn't bother reading properly

Very decent of him to claim he was the son of god on prime time television to save them the bother though.

I quite like James Spader but I just read the background to the story for Blacklist on wiki. It sounds fucking ridiculous.

I assumed that although I've never heard them called 'briefs' before.

They Live is mint, but howay man :lol:

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One very pissed-off farmer

Why the fuck do you think I was there?

Been to Nimbin. Scored for some canny shit.

Bob Hope btw

Here's the list that used to be on Icke's own website: http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/list_of_satanist.htm

Lord Scottish Son of a Swiss Mountain (that cryptic enough Ant?) was on the list iirc. I think Ted Heath might've been on it too.

Me mate's dad (now deceased) used to be in the Navy. The only subjects they couldn't discuss at meal times were politics and religion as they were the two guaranteed to cause fights.

I think there were rumours going around for years. I've read some stuff and listened to stuff Icke has said and I don't think he knew anything. I think he jumps on bandwagons to sell his books. That's not to suggest this cynicism makes him sane btw. As an example, he used to have a list of all these people who were paedos and shape-shifting lizards that appeared on his website. He also reckons he'd been telling anyone who'd listen for years that Jimmy Savile was a serial abuser. What doesn't make sense is that Savile wasn't on this list and there's no record of him mentioning Savile in public until after his death. He also reckons he first heard about Savile in the late 90s which is unlikely given he worked at the BBC in the 80s when, seemingly, everyone working heard a few stories about his penchant for young lasses (at the very least). It would appear there is some substance to a lot of the rumours doing the rounds though, I just think Icke is a massive fraud. And a fucking looney.

No

Do you believe in time travel?

The tiny proportion of the population who had the vote made Cromwell an MP. He was never elected Lord Protector in a general election though. He effectively seized power using the military, his being a military commander by that stage and was subsequently brought to power by his fellow coup leaders. All of which took place about 150 years before the French Revolution or the existence of America as an independent country. Other than that though....

You only have to be a member to buy away tickets.