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Footage from the Man U cameras.

Who the fuck puts a step like that down from a fucking slope behind the goal.. durty fuckers. Hope he scores a 25 footer now.

1-2 , Called it.

Side note but was funny - NBC are signing the no room for racism wall - Robbie Savage has a really valid and good rant and asks the other presenters to find a space and sign the wall. They sign the wall, the camera zooms in - to see them sign right next to where some geezer has written "OMAR SMELLS" in block capitals.. Lol Good omens lads, good omens.

Yeah , got to be dissapointing though as Burn is a massive lumbering lump of a man - hardly a dynamic wing back. But , he's not made many mistakes and but I believe in the mantra of not changing the defense in a winning team.

Joelinton on for Willock, thats the only change I'd want to make (but I do feel sorry for Matt Target when Burn is keeping him out)

Meanwhile, in Leicester : Leicester council byelection sees huge swing to Tories in area hit by unrest | Leicester | The Guardian

It's political , but its a landmark day in a way. Kwarteng, (verb) - to instantly destroy something "Did you hear about John? He's okay but his car was absolutely Kwatenged" Kwarteng, (noun) the length of time between opening one's mouth and causing irreparable damage. In Saxon times there were usually 12 Kwartengs to the Truss.

To be fair though, it was a good question!

In my honest view, the time for that was 2010 - I think all neoliberal countries need some kind of arab spring. It's terrible - but the world is going to hell in a handbasket and the ultra wealthy are just grabbing what they can, while they can. Our fundamental economic policy of growth in already super developed countries just cannot work even in the medium term now. We'll be fighting over water in 20 years, let alone oil and gas.

And fuck me, I was sidetracked by mini debates, but Truss has fucked herself surely - by admitting to not being conservative ? She mentions the corporation tax rise as being put in by a "Previous government" . what a tit. (easy holden)

Ok my parting shot - lets follow the notion of it not being binding. If we held a referendum tommorrow on whether we should have a GE - and we all voted yes. Would we accept a month later that its not binding so they didnt have to do it?

So if you vote Labour in the next GE - then you can change your mind when they get in power?

Can't you see the irony here? You're as staunch as a brexiteer . Reasoning logically means being open to others views and beliefs as well as trying to influence your own. I'm doing a truss here now and just flouncing cos its feral and getting a bit silly.

Oh come on, its moment in time - its do you want this MP now to enact his manifesto. Once he's in an enacted it - say if it was to demolish a building - you can't vote it undone. You know what I mean man.

Now now.. I think this proves my side discussion with Rayvin perfectly tbh - and its not ridiculous. Saying that there shouldnt be a referendum because people elect governments to make these decisions is saying that a parliamentary democracy makes these high level decisions on the peoples behalf - which says its binding, given the government said they'd put it to MPs in parliament and enact it on a a vote. You can't have it both ways Is this not ambiguous ? In the end, the argument comes down to different visions for democracy in the United Kingdom. The conventional view is that ultimate political power lies with Parliament. The High Court came to its conclusion that the referendum was not legally binding guided by “basic constitutional principles of parliamentary sovereignty and representative parliamentary democracy”. In a parliamentary democracy, as barrister Rupert Myers bluntly puts it, “the people are not sovereign”.

There are always some somewhere. I mean the feelings strong at the moment on Anti Tory - but deep down I still fear that they might turn it around and win the vote , if not next election, the one after. For over 2 decades I've thought "If the British public vote tory again, I'm leaving / not coming back" - and they do..

oh god, I'm winding everyone up today! BUT - Huh? I can't reverse my vote for Lib Dems in the 90's , because it was made and that was it - I was voting for whether I wanted my Lib Dem MP in parliament and it was a moment in time thing. Isn't every vote like that?

I hate to do this as I can tell you're getting wound up and I dont want to be doing that. But did you read it , fully? The government actually told people to vote remain and that they would enact the result: the government’s leaflet to all households advocating a Remain vote told voters that it would implement the result.

Erm, the opening line - and some basic maths.. Didnt she live under a Conservative government, in the North of England? What the actual fuck

Then forget it mate, for your own mental health. No one every apologies or acknowledges mistakes in politics. Its fucked.. We'll be back in 10 years.

Ok, I hear you but this advisory referendum line is very similar to the leave campaign, in their eyes - how about full fact's take on it? Was the EU referendum “advisory”? - Full Fact

Yeah, maybe I'm putting words in your mouth - but I interpret this as saying "they have not educated themselves" Those people should not be allowed to vote, frankly. They're voting based on nothing. This isn't a game, we have a duty to educate and inform ourselves before we undertake decisions that commit the country to years of a particular outcome - a responsibility that many don't take seriously. We all have access to the same information. That reads to me as saying they havent educated themselves - thus I think internally, they are stupid. But they are educating themselves, with information you would have had access to also - but as most of it was based on what might happen - it's not 100% facts is it. I'd say that unconscious bias makes us more susceptible to believe information that re-affirms our existing beliefs , so we ignore some parts and not others. If people vote differently, because they believe non factual information - that's not a reason to deny them the vote imo - because, we ALL will in some way or another. We vote based on manifestos and future decisions - or should do , but others vote on people and not parties, which in my view we shouldn't do - but they still can. The vote has to be there for everyone , no matter what - or its not democracy. You can't just silence people in a democracy, no matter what you think of their views , that's not democracy. I hate brexit, I hate the USA "put myself first mentality" - but I can't move away from the UK now (for family reasons) so I have to respect that people vote mainly based on how it will affect their personal circumstances. The whole thing that got me into this debate is the line about "these people shouldnt be allowed to vote". If that's not borderline oppressive, I don't know what is - and I know from reading your posts you're not that kind of person.

How was the referendum not democratically executed? It was PR wasn't it? 1 person, 1 vote? There's no perfect solution to anything. But that is democracy. People getting influenced by charlatans is always going to be an issue - but 1 person 1 vote, anything over 50% wins, is pure democracy isnt it? We can't call FPTP or any of that crap here. My personal view on Brexit is it was a problem of age and perception and that ol' nostalgia problem - as people get older, they are more alienated from the world. Studies have found that people tend to idolise their youth , for many reasons - be it they were healthy then etc. For the majority of over 60's - there is a clear change in the world, with technology - society and multiculturalism - which pushed them into feeling anxious about change. It's a natural thing. I'm not even that old, but for me, the technology boom from Landline to mobile phone in the late 90's to early 00's scared the shit out of me (and I'm a techhy) because it fundamentally changed the rules of engagement for work and play. You couldn't be "out" anymore - ignore a call and people make judgements - this has escalated to two blue ticks on Whatsapp now - and its stress inducing for me. Someone younger has absolutely no awareness of that, or any anxiety. I believe that the move to an "accepting and inclusive society" is a massive attack on the values that they were indoctrinated to believe - that we are superior - heck we dehumanised most of the empire, it was the only way the public could be conditioned to accept it. It was only the 80s where attacking "wogs" gays, blacks, gollywogs etc - was commonplace in working mens club comedy nights. I know that's a weird side note, but I honestly think that immigration controls (or lack of them) is what made people vote Brexit - nothing else - and at that time , due to demonising of foreigners - whether leave ran their campaign or not - it may have gone leave anyway. Now educated people know that's all BS - but the MAJORITY of people in the UK are not educated beyond high school - that's a major problem right there - along with the fact that those that dont go onto FE dont get trades or apprenticeships either. wow I've derailed this, I'm offski!

I never said it was fair game, I was responding to the outlandish claim that "people shouldnt be allowed to vote" because they are stupid or lied to. I agree totally on the leave campaign - told outlandish lies and spread misinformation and that should be punished as a crime, but it wasn't. But we are supposed to be a democracy - and YES these decisions should never have gone to a referendum as its above the average person. But it did so EVERYONE should be entitled to vote - that's democracy. You use your own words "opinion" , it's as valid to you as the brexiteers opinion is to him. We shouldnt be denying others their opinion and putting ourselves on a pedestal. And lying in politics is by no means a new thing its decades old.