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Oh dont be pedantic now, we're friends remember. I'm talking about facts in politics, this is a politics thread - not that there are no facts in the world. Im not a frickin flat earther or owt.

Economics is mostly theory actually, mr smarty pants.

HAhaha , this is either some excellent deliberate sabotage , or she (or "they") have written these resignation letters for them! (or its a photoshop of course)

Apart from the shooting bit, which is a bit silly and totalitarian again - this is far more sensible than dissalowing anyone a vote and calling it democracy.

Exactly my feelings, an eye for an eye and the world goes blind. For me, the Guardian has sometimes behaved like the Mail, just on the other side of the spectrum, like how it reports BoE spent 65bn on Bonds.. Misinformation just allows the opposition to discredit you. Telling the truth is what they should be doing. "The BoE has had to earmark up to 3bn a day for 21 days, and has spent 6bn in the last 48 hours, due to this mini budget" - why isnt that damaging enough? why do they have to twist the truth to "65bn spent"? It just discredits what is a very damaging fact.

I want them to define "success" . Despite the best efforts of these fucktards, the country has seen growth every single year up to the pandemic , whilst they used austerity to follow their ideology of cutting public services. The FTSE has grown from 4434 in 2008 to 7384 in a pandemic . Thats almost doubled * FTSE 100 annual performance 1995-2021 | Statista Does success mean competing with China? China, Germany and the US are exporters and producers. We are a services economy now (thanks tories) Perpetual growth is impossible in a world with finite resources anyway. I just don't get what they are aiming for, what is their benchmark of success?

Have they ever believed in the free market and the mythical "market forces". From where I sit, they've lost that argument as soon as they start funneling tax payers money to bail out failure - market forces were supposed to put an end to that "big business will fail" - has become "sorry, they are too big to fail". This energy crisis is just another cash grab - why the fuck are we giving taxpayers money directly to energy firms that are setting high prices? At the very least means test it - but the absolute basic economic rules are that you put price where supply and demand meet , to maximise revenue . If people can't pay a high price, then the company has to reduce its margins. Help the absolutely fucked , sure - but directly and transparently .

I dont find it funny, it shouldn't be allowed on either side .. Corbyn in a chicken suit , now this. It's not on.

I meant the peddlers of lies should be punished. what alternative to democracy would you like, other than campaigners run campaigns and people vote on which one they are allied to? Nothing is factual (during election campaigns) , everything is opinion. You are allowed to believe in survival of the fittest, you are allowed to believe in collectism , it's a personal thing. But saying people cant vote because they are "stupid" is oppressive and more in line with a totalitarian regime !

Dissallowing people votes , is not democracy.

I could have sworn he was CM when Howe changed his position. fuck im getting old

I'll have to read up on all that, hadn't a clue .. Next time im feeling upbeat I'll give it a go - there's enough miserable stuff in the here and now

Last post honest guv. When they say "highest tax in 70 years" - well, isnt that to be expected, given we've just gone through the most globally disruptive thing to happen since WW2 , with Covid? And we've fucked that up now too - as I sit here typing full of Covid - with Brain fog, vertigo and deafness in one ear - and LFTs that barely detect it - with the same strategy of saying somethings sorted it pretend everything's ok? The admission numbers are well up again (Gateshead 2nd highest in the country at the moment )

I'm enjoying this as much as most - but ... Personally I keep perspective that we don't want to start evangelising the IMF - these are evil fuckers - they ousted a democratically elected government and took control of a country (Greece), resulting in deaths from hospital closures and people routinely eating out of bins - in the name of "unacceptable debt" when Greece's debt as a proportion of GDP was lower than MANY other countries at the time.

Wow well its feral on here for Brexit. I've quoted you, but read all the replies , so other comments are included. That's what the landed aristocracy said , or what men said about women prior to the suffragetes. There shouldn't have been a referendum, but once there is NO ONE should be excluded from the vote - it annoys me that over 16's cant vote. It's one of those topics you elect a government to make decisions for on your behalf, hoping that they are qualified to do so. But that's different from saying people shouldnt be allowed to vote. They are voting based on a campaign - if the campaign is bent so be it - but the electoral process wasn't - why call it bent because it doesn't go your way? That's what Trump did!! I think criminal charges should have faced loads of the Leave campaign, it was utterly corrupt. I'm very pro europe as I've said - but to try and overturn a stupid election result, by holding another one in 2 years time is not the answer - we made our bed, should stand by democracy and do the will of the people. Problem is, the will of the people seemed to be "Stop darkies coming in" for a lot of people, because they've been indoctrinated for years that illegal immigrants are everywhere - while the secret sauce is that immigration from non EU countries has been the underpinning strategy of the Tories for a decade at least. Cheap labour wins all. Finally, I wasn't in country , so educate me if there's something I'm missing - but the referendum wasnt FPTP - it was pure democracy, right? and a majority did vote in favor to leave - how is that bent?

I see Joelinton as that DM - I thought that's how we setup earlier in the season, or am I mistaken? I'm a season ticket holder now and worry that I'm watching different games some days I'm not a great fan of ASM either tbh , its the amount of sitting on his arse everytime he loses the ball , then isnt on his feet when we win it back. Willock seems to just run about like a headless chicken most of the time to me.

I'm lucky enough to have had VR since HTV Vive . I've got a whole double bedroom as a playspace and a Valve Index at the moment - it drives my wife bonkers I think Half Life - Alyx , is possibly the best gaming experience I've ever had. Anyhoo - coming on to share that I've just finished "Return to Monkey Island" and it brought a frog to my throat and a tear to my eye, it was that good. I think you have to be 40+ though !

He shouldn't be anywhere near TV imo , Carragher too - but Keane has openly admitted to deliberately trying to end someones career . That's no role model or man worth keeping on. no matter how "Passionate" you are - trying to end someone's career and breaking bones on purpose - is a criminal offence, that's he not even been charged with and here's his reward.

I have a real problem , I always see him as rubbish in the team - stats dont lie, but seriously I think we'd be better playing Joelinton .

It wasn't cameron I was talking about - Cameron didn't want Brexit - it was the Brexit team that all legged it, Boris Farage et all those numpties. Cameron resigned because he didnt have a plan for it winning, because everyone (Leave team too) really thought it would just be a protest vote. They won by betting on currency and market drops , but I strongly believe that they only wanted leverage against the EU motion to start controlling tax havens. Everybody has egos and no one is "right" . If people didnt go out and vote remain, that's their own problem - but democracy did dictate we had to do it . Lesson learnt for the future , if you have a referendum, you'd really better make it clear what percentage difference wins. Making such a huge change on 2-4% of the vote was mental. One mans truth is another man's lie - that's the essence of politics. Many people don't like education or facts or science, they like gut feelings and reckons. Now if thats a ewark quote I'm cutting me own throat I tell ya!

Fucking hell. That's pure scary

I liked Carney - but - they acted less than the current group. Interest rates have needed to rise for years, everyone knew it - but due to QE , everyone's money was in assets bought with debt *cough free money*.

Maybe he was - but Brexit didn't have to mean what we got served with - it didn't have to be hard etc - as the Tories ended up presenting it as; so it's not necessarily economic suicide.

Nah, the BoE shouldn't really be buying them , full stop. He's commited to not buying them to try and relieve the pressure on the gild/bond return rate - because if they do - the private companies that hold them will take the piss. It's a temporary safety net to keep the pumps moving and they are now, but the government keep on fucking it up as every day goes on. I think its the right decision. My understanding is that there's no chicken with HMG - it's independent to them, but caused by them . BoE buying these bonds does not support or not support government , its purely protecting the economy as a whole at this point from someone trying to destroy it. Problem with money not actually being backed by anything, is that everything - money, investments, share markets etc are all based on confidence - what people believe stuff is going to be worth in the future. If confidence dips, our let's pretend economy is fucked.

My 2 cents is that it's that kind of black and white divisive thinking that gets us into this mess though. Not everyone who voted Brexit did so out of being nasty or self serving , some saw it as a genuine opportunity and expected , not unreasonably imo, that there was a plan ready to go. I didn't vote at all as I was out of the country (helping (as the IT guy) someone short the pound and make over 3 million dollars in 7 hours , in an offshore tax haven on the night of the vote, for what its worth! AND I'm a socialist!) I was a remainer, my main reasoning being that I believed it was the strongest reason for peace we had in Europe. I actually wanted us to have a single European army, rather than NATO - as I think our affiliation with the US Military is too close. Feels like I was right, at this time in 2022 I still remember being absolutely bowled over when they won, and moreso when all the people associated with it ran away the next morning. You couldn't make it up..