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Sorry to hear that about your dad mate

Considering yesterday's stark predictions, Boris comes up with a powder puff response.

Whitty & Valance told us yesterday were this is probably going without swift action now. So Boris delays for a further 24 hours before he's going to say. We'll shut the pubs at 10 o clock. Without saying it Whitty & Valance were telling us we needed a full Lockdown now. Not something half arsed like shutting pubs at 10. It's a pathetic response for purely economic reasons. They upped the Level to 4 yesterday & the response is shut the pubs at 10 you couldnt make it up

BREAKING: Alert level for UK should be increased The Joint Biosecurity Centre has recommended the Covid-19 alert level for the UK be increased to Level 4, meaning transmission of the virus is “high or rising exponentially”, the UK’s chief medical officers have said.

3 weeks late locking down last time. They cant afford to wait another 3 weeks this time.

So Boris doesnt fancy another National Lockdown. With these projected figures surely it's got to happen. I see they slipped in new infections were probably 6.000 a day now

Whitty & Valance to give briefing at 11am.

The reasons for the 2nd wave imho are lifting the lockdown to early. Also people became complacent thinking the lockdowns lifted the virus must be gone.

Here's something Miss T (teacher) was told at the end of June. Just after the Lockdown was lifted To prepare 2 weeks extra work for the children to be able to work from home with after the October half term, as we'd be in a 2nd Lockdown. I know the timing is out by a few weeks but it's almost like it was known.

From the Daily Star PM to 'make TV address to nation and 'introduce circuit break lockdown' The announcement could reportedly come as soon as Tuesday. Prime Minister Boris Johnson earlier warned that the UK is facing a second wave of Covid-19 as the infection rate rises The Prime Minister has spoken with advisers about dropping the rule of six to impose a social lockdown, which could be implemented within days, it is claimed Proposals being worked up for such a “circuit break” could see the hospitality sector, which includes bars and restaurants, shut. schools and workplaces would remain open.

If they wait 2 weeks by then we could be seeing about 16,000 new infections a day. As it looks like the infection rates are doubling every 7 days at the minute & that's with a fifth of the country under loose local Lockdowns. A full National Lockdown with curfews, if shops are shut at 10pm there's really no need for people to be on the streets is there ?

So Boris has said "the 2nd wave is on it's way" Why not get try & get ahead of it now I.e. full National Lockdown rather than wait for it to happen. Straining the NHS then saying "oh bugger we better have a Lockdown" I know there'll be economic repercussions, but surely it'll work out cheaper in the long run to lockdown than have the NHS working absolutely flat out undoubtedly needing more & more equipment needing to be bought in. I always felt the Lockdown was lifted to early it probably needed another month. Maybe's if they'd held out that extra month we could have been well ahead of this by now. But what do I know ?

Sorry about your dad mate sending virtual man hugs

Boris Johnson needs to act now, not next week, to tackle a second wave of coronavirus infections across the UK, a senior university lecturer has said. Asked if he thought a second national lockdown is on the cards, Dr Bharat Pankhania, senior clinical lecturer at the University of Exeter, told Sky News: "I hope it will never happen because I don't think the United Kingdom has got the stamina for a national lockdown. It's words. "It is blindingly obvious that if you wanted to keep case numbers down you keep your movements amongst fellow human beings to a minimum. "It's as simple as that. "This is a human-to-human spread of infection, so we have invented all manner of things like the 'the rule of six', the curfew at 10pm, and all of that. "And the one thing, the elephant in the room, that we don't address is 'keep your distance away from fellow human beings - move around with as few human beings as is possible'. "That is as straightforward as it is." Proposals are being worked up for a "circuit break" of nationwide restrictions for a short period, which could see essential travel to schools and workplaces continuing, but restaurants and bars would shut - or perhaps run on restricted hours - and different households would be asked not to mix at all. Asked if this would work and slow the spread of the virus, he replied: "I would love to say yes, but what we learnt from the first lockdown was that the base number, meaning the background level of circulating virus, continued to hover at an uncomfortably high level. "So where is the evidence that a 'circuit break', meaning a short, sharp shutdown, is going to reduce case numbers? "Our case numbers have resisted in going down because we just can't have a full lockdown in the way the United Kingdom has been running. "So unless you have a really, really strict South Korea-style or even China-style shutdown and people don't move around between groups, it is not going to happen." He continued: "Furthermore, we have got another conundrum, schools are open and we know, we all accept, that the schools need to run, so if schools are open it means a lot of things are open. It also means there will be a generation of new cases in the school environment. "I think my most simple measure over a long period of time is one good measure... why not just give the good public health advice which is, 'this is human-to-human spread, keep your circulation low amongst fellow human beings'. "The bottom line is we take personal and mutual responsibility, we say to ourselves 'every action I'm about to take, is this risky?' If it is, don't do it." "My advice to Prime Minister Boris Johnson is, don't sit there and say 'we are going to do something next week'. It's tomorrow, it's today. "You say, 'as of today please reduce your circulation in pubs, restaurants, transport, offices and all those places where infection transmits'. "It's as straightforward as that."

Miss T's a teacher she worked all through the lockdown. She had a class of key workers kids ages ranged from 5 to 9. There was no curriculum followed it was just a case of containing the kids while the parents went to work. Miss T said it was almost akin to childcare.

I get what your saying about education. But given that most households have some kind of electrical device that connects to the internet. Would a month or so of virtual teaching not be a safer option. As you say mate there are no right answers.

Just been looking October half term is around October 26th over 5 weeks away. It's too long to hold on for a full Lockdown given the way the R rate is growing. Whitty was asked on Sky news yesterday "how far away are we from a second Lockdown" he wouldnt give an answer. Kids missed roughly 3 months worth of school early on in the year. Would it really do any harm for them to have another month or so off now to try to get on top of this. The longer Boris holds out the more of a gamble this becomes.

My mate lives in Spain I messaged him when they went into Lockdown at the end of February asking him if they were ok etc. I asked him what he thought we needed to do to prepare. His response was the government need to lock everything down ASAP. It took Boris & his rugger chums another 3 weeks before they did anything.

I think they're gambling to hold out for the October half term & maybes go for a full Lockdown then.

Well said Gem. If we're going to have another National Lockdown lock the lot down pubs schools etc. 1 designated shopper per household to pick up food, prescriptions etc. Everyone stay in for a month by then you'd think the infection numbers would fade away with few people interacting with each other. Obviously I know it's not that straight forward but you'd hope they'd do something like that

West Yorkshire, The Midlands & Lancashire to have same restrictions as the North East from Tuesday. Effectively including the North East 11 million people loosely locked down

Matt Hancock to announce new restrictions for North East at 11.30