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Aye started off something of a tradition there amongst Sunderland top brass RIP.

Well just like I was inclined to think Cisse was nowt until it actually happened, equally I'm taking the same view about Krul, Ba etc the other way. The transfer shite will rage for the rest of the window, especially with people writing whatever they fucking care to say on Twitter and people taking it as though they're the players agents.

Class.

He lost a bit at Man Utd when he was expected to be more of an all round team player which involved holding it up a lot more, and he didn't really hit the toon heights again till he was with Dwight Yorke. His movement for us was the best I've ever seen though. I remember his debut for them against Blackburn, he was clean through after 30 seconds, and he fucked it up, I thought then he was destined to not be as good for them, but still 4 Premier League medal 2 FA Cups and a Champions League hardly point to the fact he was a disaster. Nah he wasn't a disaster by any means and his Prem goal tally alone is strong evidence to say I'm talking shite on the other hand, I have to acknowledge that or I'd be deluded. I think they've seen better since though-the all round game is massively important when you play at the level they do and probably one of the reasons Cantona didnt rate him that highly.

That's fair enough and on that point I'd say his opinion was probably worth more than Cantona's given the type of game Beardsley played. Ball played in from behind him with a burst of pace he probably was nothing short of superb in terms of threading a pass for him. Cantona's opinion was more based on how many he had to miss before he eventually scored.

I think HF's taking a bit of an unfair slating on the back of one transfer in personally. As far as I can see he holds Leazes to account as much as anyone when he's in full-on daft mode and beyond that he tries to play a straight numbers game (where theres always going to be an approximation/element of speculation). Not an easy one to do but I don't think he's deliberately skewing things for or against.

I doubt Freiburg create that many chances if they're near bottom of their league. Cole did miss loads though tbf Stevie, Cantona used to absolutely slate him for it. Thought he was pish. Easy to make chances for yourself in that side too (and with Beardsley).

Arsenal fans would do well to shut the fuck up. More than happy to trade recent history with them.

Aye, but I thought all reports of £10m were superseded by £7.5m plus add-ons totalling £9m. Aye, well you might be right. I just assumed it was "£7.5 rising to...(whatever)" as you see quite often. You're prob right that the flat £10 mill figure is wrong like as that seems to have come from some press valuation headline "£10 million rated"

Even his patients aren't going to get in a Note ffs.

Is it not still 'undisclosed'? Not that that resolves it one way or another.

Don't criticize me until you've walked a mile in my shoes tbh.

What are they on about? Safe standing is demonstrably possible (Germany), it's entirely a legislative thing.

oooooooooooh....bit smug.

QFT and that. It's like a bunch of charvers have got a racist old tramp surrounded in old eldon square, poking him with sticks trying to inflame his ire and everyone's just walking past letting them get on with it. We might not agree with the entrenched views of the victim, but just leave him to his views and stop the goading. He can argue with the sky quite happily and it harms no-one. That's bollocks imo. People have tried on numerous occasions to try and make him see sense, but he's incapable of it. The pleasant coaxing approach (Do you agree with this. "Yes" And do you agree with that. "of course, I'm not an idiot!" And do you see how putting this and that together gives you a logical conclusion of this. "Does it fuck, and I've been telling you for 4 years that it doesn't") has been done to death, and it gets you nowhere. Ignoring him isn't an option, cos he turns up and gets in people's faces with "omg", "if you really believe that, you're an idiot, i've been telling you for 4 years" etc etc. He's looking for a reaction as much as anyone else is. The exchanges with him inevitably degenerate into pisstaking because it's all there is left to do. I think people putting him on ignore would offend him a lot more than the pisstaking does. Aye, that's my take on it too fwiw (although HF's analogy was a piss funny mental image nonetheless). It'd be massively precious of him to take the hump at what's been written the last few days given the insults he rattles off (and he hasn't in fairness to him as he's relentless), so theres probs no need to get all precious about it on his behalf HF. When you've got someone talking absolute shite on a forum your options are fairly limited and having a laugh at them for it is within a perfectly valid range of responses. I opted for 'ignore' a while back when he was just being a racist dickhead but it's still amusing to see him being quoted, while not actually participating directly in his mad fantasy argument.

QFT and that. It's like a bunch of charvers have got a racist old tramp surrounded in old eldon square, poking him with sticks trying to inflame his ire and everyone's just walking past letting them get on with it. We might not agree with the entrenched views of the victim, but just leave him to his views and stop the goading. He can argue with the sky quite happily and it harms no-one.

The home side were under the cosh in the first half when the United keeper broke his neck and both full backs died of tuberculosis, but they later rallied in the second.

It's was over 100 years ago. Long before subs were used. I think we won the league that season and Sunderland lost 8-1 to Burnley or someone like that in the same year. If that doesn't sum those fuckers up Aye, we won the league and beat them something like six nil at home that season and apparently they kicked us off the park so we finished with about eight men. Still they won't let that get in way of thinking it's something they can hold over us! Lady Henrietta Mingeington-Smythe took the kick off and the crossbars were a piece of string.

Gold. To be fair I know that lad and so does Besty. He's bound to be taking the piss there. That's what I was thinking tbh. Couldn't take it seriously for a second, hence why I was laughing that MT seemed to have swallowed it. Funny post either way (and not a dig at you either by the way, Tecato).

Gold.

Agree, and well done all concerned, but I would like Pardew to removed his tongue from Ashley's clems. "Weww done to Mike oo sanctioned the deaw" Aye a quarter of the money he got in for Carroll. Well done Mike you fat prick. Would be class if he'd worked that into the actual quote somehow.

i like your optimism. the cynic in me is forcing me not to get too excited just yet. i'll be more likely to agree with that if we make it through till the end of the month without selling a key player. the manner in which we sold carroll is still fresh in the mind... stop moaning man, you had owners who kept our best players, and still fucking moaned about them. Aye, because we kept a great hold of Speed, Bellamy, Solano etc when we were sliding down the table didn't we? Installed a manager to spend £50million to make the squad worse too. Why do we need to spend £30+million received for Carroll when we've signed a highly-rated player for less than a third of that? Football's changed - our owner is far from perfect but at the moment we're competitive without spunking stupid money on players. Liverpoo's front two cost over £50million and they're below us in the table! Why don't you fuck off and support them instead of moaning that we only spent £8-10million on Cisse! Ooooooooooooooof!

Aye, makes an absolute world of difference. In actual fact it was another 'club lie' (in a manner of speaking) as they said we weren't getting anyone after Maiga fell through and then promptly went back on it. Either way though, if we can be spared the standard 'number of targets' 'just got to get it over the line' 'just failed to get it over the line' 'end of the week' 'x% certain something will or wont happen' for weeks on end beforehand it's a marked improvement and makes the club look a lot more serious.

but why are people, who are supposed to support the club, happy with 27m quid of what ought to be the managers transfer money, disappearing ? Isn't this hindering progress ? It hasn't disappeared. Chez's explained this to you far more eloquently than I could on several occasions. That's not a defence of the owner per se but it's the reality of the situation as I see it. It's clearly progress as a team, that much is irrefutable, (it's just not progress at the rate Leazes wants iyam), but for a relegation tipped side we're doing well. You're right about where we need to be strengthening yet (and retention is another matter altogether of course and every bit as important) but I think there was some telling stuff from casino boy who was going on about this sort of signing 'being ideal for the team Pardew's building'. I think that's just code for saying that we're not going to rush to buy a player unless the price is right. We'd been interested previously apparently but not prepared to pay £14 million. So I spose even if the 'Carroll money' was still ringfenced somewhere in a vault (not that it is) theres an argument for saying you dont just spend it immediately because you've got it, because you can end up with any old shit for mega money. I think they drive that austerity too hard btw as no club should ever be left without a striker as we were after Carroll left and I think it was fortunate that didnt hit us harder, but we've now ended up with Ba and Cisse for circa £10 mill combined. If the context is a club that hasnt won anything in the modern game, surely theres some sense in trying to progress steadily, particularly given our biggest asset, which is the apparent unity of the team. Perhaps different if you're a constant CL presence and cant afford one season out of it, maybe then you do go for broke, but that hasn't been us for the best part of a decade. Yeah, spot on that. Agree with all of it tbh. Yep. Pretty much accurate. It shows that the club are prepared to spend when it suits them and as much as I dislike Ashley I have no shame in admitting that it is a good strategy going forward. Especially considering what we are up against in terms of the finances of some of the clubs around us. Aye, the latter point theres just no sense in ignoring-it has to be acknowledged. I spose we could take the rigid view you get in £35 million on a sale and recycle it instantly on a £35 million spend, but that's likely to get you paying over the odds and possibly in situations where you're just buying to find a replacement for a position rather than a player you're particularly interested in from a team point of view. At the end of the day our money is going to have to go further than the likes of Man C/Chelsea/Liverpool/Man U if we want to push on. Obviously he could put his own coin in but he's not going to so that argument is just beyond pointless dealing with the reality of the matter. As I say, I think we've had some fortune where we've seen too much austerity recently, but perhaps you get away with it more when the team spirit is there as the collective effort is greater to compensate for individual areas of weakness. The one thing for certain is it gets a bit daft looking at it any other way than asking; are we progressing on the pitch? We have and we are.