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If the kids aren't in school, are the teachers obliged to be? I'm pretty sure they arent. Teachers hols = 6weeks summer, 2 weeks xmas, 2 weeks easter and 2x 1 week half terms n'est-ce pas? Thats 12 weeks. As for working during their holidays, well thats not uncommon for lots of jobs-they're still entitled to not go into work for 12 weeks of the year though. Teachers class contact time is 9am to 3pm per day. If they have to spend two or three hours a day on average over and above that doing lesson plans and marking, well that still equates to a normal 9 to 5 job. I'm very sympathetic when teachers talk about lack of resources etc as they see kids going without and that must be frustrating. I've not got much time if their issue is having to do lesson plans/work outside of class times though-I don't think theyre over burdened work wise compared to other graduate jobs.

They get 12 weeks off, not 6.

Jesus..that really was years ago an all! Thought he was gone for good but then he reappeared.....risen from the dead, like that fella.......ET. © Father Ted.

Why do you think that a vocational calling and half decent pay should be mutually exclusive? Just sounds like you want an excuse to talk down to people. OED "vocation:-.... divine influence or guidance towards a definite career" nowt in there about the pay packet Nurses lowest pay (2005 numbers) is around £ 10,800 a year (without any of thy extra payments available ) for someone at the very bottom and goes up to £ 31,000 a year before becoming a matron I think that's a pretty fair range TBH Contradicting yourself. UH?? follow me closely my lancashire friend 1. Vocations are not about money - so lets either not hear the word or people should stay quiet 2. Nurses complain about money but they earn £ 10,800 - £ 31,000 a year; which is not too shabby compared to other jobs the two are only connected by the whiners - not by me You begin by saying the money is irrelevant but then you go on to say the pay is fair. By your logic, anything which isnt below zero (ie a financial penalty) would be fair.

No offence to anyone that does work in a call centre, but I didn't go to university for 3 years to do that. The wages are crap for what we do, but they're enough that I can live independently on my own and not have to worry about job insecurity. We do get put upon and guilt-tripped, but at the end of the day I love what I do and I'm good at it. I won't do it forever and I'm looking at other avenues to go down, but it's a secure job and it pays the bills. Have you ever had to be admitted to hospital and seen what actually goes on, Rob? Genuine question. funnily enough when I was younger I used to go into the local hospital 5 days a week - I've seen someone fall over with a heart attack and be resusitated, babies with serious burns and smokers wards (which is why I never smoked) as well as some poor folk with serious mental problems I can remember the days when every morning the general ward would have a couple of new people who had hit the windscreen of their cars (no seat belts.....) and also people dripping some pretty grim bodily fluids for months One of my best friends is a very senior doctor and my neighbour is a GP It just seems to me that teachers and the medical profession seem to go on and on about how tough their lives are when, in fact, they aren't that bad at all Howay man! Everybody moans about their lot from time to time and it usually tends to centre on remuneration. It's the fundamental term of employment. You seriously saying this is restricted to teachers and medical professionals? oooooookay!

Why do you think that a vocational calling and half decent pay should be mutually exclusive? Just sounds like you want an excuse to talk down to people. OED "vocation:-.... divine influence or guidance towards a definite career" nowt in there about the pay packet Nurses lowest pay (2005 numbers) is around £ 10,800 a year (without any of thy extra payments available ) for someone at the very bottom and goes up to £ 31,000 a year before becoming a matron I think that's a pretty fair range TBH Contradicting yourself.

Why do you think that a vocational calling and half decent pay should be mutually exclusive? Just sounds like you want an excuse to talk down to people.

no-one has answered my questions about the hours actually worked................................. Simple question trying to get a reasoned answer instead of the bleedingheart emotional blackmail indulged in by the medical "professions" Our overtime rate is paid at time and a third for hours worked over 37.5 per week but some places have stopped paying overtime as there's no money left in the Trusts until April, therefore we do the hours as time owed. Yes we are covered by the EWTD but in practice it doesn't always happen. We do the extra hours because there is a guilt culture in the NHS where if you walk out of the department you know you are leaving someone in the shit (usually a patient) and therefore feel obliged to stay. Any hours over the EWTD guidelines are once again taken as time owed. And no, for your information, it's not just a small number of A&E nurses who do ridiculous hours actually. Nurses on medical wards, surgical wards, orthopeadic wards, Intensive Care, High Dependency units, Coronary Care and theatres do stupid hours aswell and they do them to try and maintain standards in hospitals. To make sure that patient care is not compromised. To cover for staff who are off sick. To assist colleagues who already have too much on their plates and are finding it difficult to cope. And to look after the likes of you who are either on a major wind up or are ridiculously ignorant of the real situation. You want emotional blackmail? Go and speak to every NHS manager in the country - they're fantastic at it. If you were looking for a bite, you've fucking got one. Idiot. if its soooooooooooooooo bad why not quit???? You'd get regular hours and more pay workign at a call centre if what you say is correct Years of training? A vocational calling?

Wow! Proper landmark that! Not that the pressures on you at all there, Catherine!

No idea what that is but I'm assuming its uni work. Every now and again, years after leaving uni, I still have the odd dream I've got an exam coming up that I haven't been to any lectures for. Fucking mint feeling when I realise it's a load of old bollocks. Did you used to write as much shite on your exam papers as you do on here? Shut it you failed journalist!

A design course where you get computers to help you design stuff? How lazy is that?!

The little rascal! Has the famed Scouse wit at least!

No idea what that is but I'm assuming its uni work. Every now and again, years after leaving uni, I still have the odd dream I've got an exam coming up that I haven't been to any lectures for. Fucking mint feeling when I realise it's a load of old bollocks.

In your million pound, solid gold house.

Squeeze every penny out of the charitable, money-raising bastards.

Exactly, it is a myth that they play scrappy football, they don't, they like to mix it up. They spend a great deal of time practicing set-plays of course but in open play, they play decent stuff at times. Anyway, who on here would swap positions? I would, and don't really care about beautiful football so long as we win. Indeed it says a lot about Big Sam's abilities that he can get a group of foreigners to scrap and fight like traditional British players. I'd have him here in a shot. Big Sam is a whinging bastard. He would brick it at SJP.

Like Educating Rita, this thread.

So it was a lie that you owned your own company? I'm not surprised, I always pictured you as a 50 something gentleman who helps out on £5.35 an hour, in a small carpet company. Keep that picture in your head knob. I don't lie no need, people on here who I have contacted through business know. Unlike you, you seem to have dropped your claim to designing the cat avatar after I put the name of the designer up. What job are you in, how long have you been in it? Bobby, incandescent behind the axminster there.

Can't be that bad, you don't do anything but post on here. Aye but I wouldn't if I had anything remotely interesting to do work-wise. Gemmill giving the board a ringing endorsement, there.

Alex back home and on the job by 5pm. Regular as a Kennedy funeral.

aaahhh...baby Brock *sigh* He definitely wasn't legal then you dirtbag!

Never heard of him.

Never heard of him.

Blaydon agreeing with himself under a variety of different usernames only to be exposed. Yet to be surpassed tbh.

Oldskool that! Links don't work for me-just the main menus. Is the Tyne post after the Blaydon business was exposed?