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Grrrrrrrrrrr tbh

I think there are just two really accepted ones, the Greek and the Latin version, i.e. Patroklos or Patroklus. Is Patrokles really used in the English translations? I do beleive Smeeagain has become a classic Patroklos, Patroklus and Patrokles walk into a bar......

Am I right in thinking you started watching Newcastle/following football in 1994? FANTASTIC No actually, 92-93, proper bandwagon jumper me. Seriously mate, no thats great. Pretty sure you said your first game was Villa '94. Now I know youre not in your teens so the bandwagon jumper thing were your words not mine but I wont dispute it. No offence intended but I make it a point not to debate with the SKY generation of fan.

Am I right in thinking you started watching Newcastle/following football in 1994?

If I can put it in other words, it's like having the whole media as your PR company, constantly promoting your interests. Other clubs dont have this and if you dont think this puts you at a competitve advantage then like I say, the discussion just can't proceed sensibly. It's the norm to you so I understand that you don't appreciate/can't accept that, but seriously, I can assure you, it makes you the exception! I'm not trying to make light of any achievements by the way. What you win you win on merit and that applies to all teams. Fair do's. It's the sanctimonious 'Man Utd the religion' attitude that gets me. And that above all other things is symptomatic of fans bred on media favouritism. You think you're better because youre treated better. Proof positive tbh.

But you're still avoiding the question! Nobody is arguing that Munich didn't increase the popularity but the discussion is about wealth. To date, you've not produced a single argument as to how Munich significantly added to the clubs wealth. Did these sympathisers go to games, buy replica shirts, or what? I've already said that I think Man United being the dominant club in the 90s when the export boom to Asia was at it's height and being the first English team to win European cup in 68 with Bestie et al were significant factors in adding to the wealth. I'd still like to hear your take as to how Munich contributed financially. The 60's with the European Cup win and Best, Law and Charlton are a massive factor I must agree. Even my Dad had time for Man Utd then and he likes them about as much as I do Shut up Alex you cock. FCUM....you choose the '68 final win as an example of how it added to the wealth-why? (apart from whatever the token winners sum/gate receipts etc amounted to) Was the ground suddenly swamped with Jap merchandise crazed TV executives? No. That example is just as nebulous as mine on your logic, it's just it sits easier with you to cite it as its an example of you winning something rather than just becoming popular as a result of a random tragedy. The Munich distaster is and always will be the genus of the whole phenomenon of English football holding Manchester United up above all other things. The European cup win was one win ffs. Never mind that you were the first English club. Liverpool dominated Europe and never got the media arse licking/sympathy you lot did. Jesus look at the Sun's reaction to Hillsborough for an example of how other clubs get it. Ditto Newcastle-the anti toon/anthing remotely north of London with the exception of Man U is ridiculous. Obviously the Asian exports in the 90's have put extra pounds on the balance sheets and more so probably than any other individual factor in recent years, but my point is simply that the goodwill of the press/media........just simply keeping the profile of your club in the public eye constantly, serves as a means of upholding standards at your club, promoting the interests of your club, publicising your club and ultimately, generating wealth for it. If you hadnt won all those trophies in the 90's the fact is you'd still have been arse licked by SKY and treated as an exception/constantly plastered over the TV because of the home TV audiences. FACT! Not that that generates income of course.

Look at the slope on the pitch and the old bench seats in the East paddock!

When I breach 15 stone I'm always heartily ashamed.

@ that Villa blob.

Greek style sex is up the Gary Glitter (Toonraider told me ). But aye, it relates to classical literature. Not that I've read any. Is toonraider always taking it up the shitter like? I've read plenty of the classics and the last thing I want to imagine when I do is Rick Parfitt dishing out brown wings to all and sundry. See the Has the Nasty Swearing Man Gone Yet? Thread Have you the Illiad or the Odyssey btw? I keep meaning to give one a go on holiday one year? "Bumraider!" PS give the Iliad a whirl at some point, of the two.

Greek style sex is up the Gary Glitter (Toonraider told me ). But aye, it relates to classical literature. Not that I've read any. Is toonraider always taking it up the shitter like? I've read plenty of the classics and the last thing I want to imagine when I do is Rick Parfitt dishing out brown wings to all and sundry.

Why are the Greeks gay then? Is it just because of references in early classical literature and it's stuck?

Kept them all since a kid. Only one I never bought was the one with the sheriffs badge on the back. Fucking horrible. A few of mine went the journey as they were so wrecked. Wish I still had the umbro one with NUFC in the shape of a ball of the badge (that peeled off more with each wash). Remember that shitty Bukta kit too? My first kit that one, in a V neck and aye the badge is shot to shit on it. Classic that one, think they were re-producing it recently, just without the umbro diamond logo. Bukta one was just before my time like. Hard to go wrong with a classic design like black and white stripes but the barcode and rusty sheriffs badges were monumental fuck ups.

Kept them all since a kid. Only one I never bought was the one with the sheriffs badge on the back. Fucking horrible.

Why have you got a Liverpool shirt? Particularly that one, which is hideous.

PMSL As usual you haven't even given an argument for your statement Let me refresh your memory, the discussion between FOP and I centred around if Man Utd's wealth was generated by Munich. My counter argument is that in that era over 90% of a clubs revenue was generated through the turnstiles. In the 5 years after Munich Man Utd's total attendances were LESS than the 5 years that preceded it. On that basis I don't think Munich made a telling contribution to the wealth of the club. Now enough of your usual bullshit & bluster. Let's hear your facts that prove otherwise. I'll not waste too much time on this one as I know you're an intelligent lad and I suspect you're just playing a bit dumb, but seriously do you have any idea how much the goodwill and publicity (to the point of pre-occupation) of the UK and international press and media is worth to your club? If you don't see yourself as a 'special case' in this regard then I don't see that the argument can proceed sensibly. I love the way you think the 'wealth that was generated' by Munich can be measured by the relative turnstile statistics five years either side of the disaster.

Just for the record though, Man U will win it this year.

By the way, if I could pick anyone to win then obviously it would be the Toon, but of the deserving sides up there, I'd go for Arsenal without hesitation. The manager comes across as a complete twat but he has assembled the best footballing side on a relative pittance tbf and that distinguishes them from Man U, Chelsea and Liverpool over the past five years or so iywmho.

What a load of shite. The Munich air crash happened in 1958. How long prior would you like to go? Let's take a decade before Munich say 1948. Manchester United average attendance in that season 54,890. Their 'global market presence' as you put it is largely down to being the dominant team in the 1990's when the TV export boom to Asia etc was at it's height. I wouldn't argue with you that they have been succesful in marketing their 'brand' (yuk) but that was 'earned' with back to back doubles and a treble when the export boom of football was at it's height. Sorry but that's rubbish the Munich disaster had one "good" thing (nothing actually good of course, but purely in the context of publicity) which is it raised Man U's presence massively world wide, and they never really lost that. Man U's popularity across the UK and the world when Liverpool were dominating Europe (in the true sense of the word, something which Man U have never achieved) is only explained by the Busby crash phenomenon to be fair. There isnt a counter argument to this. I can say this much with an un-biased heart as well cos as a Manc I can't stand Scousers.

Couldn't agree more. Arsenal were a 'fashionable' club before Wenger but he's transformed them from a boring and ageing team into an exciting and largely young one on relatively limited resources. I'm not sure Mourhino could have done that, Gemmill. Well he won the Champions League with Porto, and the league both times he's entered it so far in the Premiership, so I reckon he's got something about him. But I'm not really sure what your point was - I wasn't comparing Mourinho to Wenger - I think Wenger is a great manager too, but that doesn't help Chelsea find a replacement for Mourinho, or Man United find a replacement for Ferguson, which was my point. Agreed, I think his credentials stand up against anyones tbf and it's a bit daft to argue otherwise.

I think Man U have been very lucky with injuries though and although i hate Chelsea,i hate Man U as much as anyone and hope they win fuck all.I know far too many gloating,patronising,glory hunting twatts and they will be unbearable if they win it.Its nice to see them with a sulk on. Aye, I'll agree that for this reason, I'd take anyone over Man U to win it and always will. It's a truth that rings out louder than anything else for me and always has. I know it's a bit sad but Chelsea have won it for the last couple of years and it just means an easier life for me. Chelsea gloat, but I'm not affected by it as I dont meet any Chelsea fans unless I'm in London, which is fair enough of course. If it's Man U tho then quite simply you just get it wherever you go and both barrells off the media to boot.

englishman, irishman and scotsman walk into a bar. the barman says is this a joke? lighten up for fucks sake. What is going on, we never used to have this much petty bickering. Even when we were on N-O No offence Berb, but probably the thing least likely to promote harmony is your jokes. Just joshing marra.

englishman, irishman and scotsman walk into a bar. the barman says is this a joke? lighten up for fucks sake. What is going on, we never used to have this much petty bickering. Even when we were on N-O No offence Berb, but probably the thing least likely to promote harmony is your jokes.