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fucks sake

You believe that? Why? He tried to sell it to the Arabs before we were relegated. Then he tried to sell it 'cut price' when we were relegated. He didn't say anything about selling it last year cause of the world financial downturn which still continues. The naming of the stadium and the oncoming kit sponsorship in his mind makes it more attractive to a buyer as is balancing the books with the Carroll money. We have made the biggest ongoing profit on transfers in the PL over the last few seasons. The financial parsimony is so he doesn't have to put any more money in as he now knows a buyer won't fund and debt and in this way he can get his 'loan' back if the club is self-sufficent ish as the sale premium. If anybody turned up tomorow with around 250-300m and gave a guarantee the club would pay his loan back 110m or so over coming years the club would change hands in a week. Your repeating a lot of what's reported but there's no evidence he actually wanted to sell. Quoting the Arabs a ridiculous price and going on the piss rather than turn up to the meeting wasn't exactly wooing a purchaser. Nor asking interested parties to whack an email to him....nor telling them they have to commit to a box in the stadium before getting a meeting. It's all bollocks man. Course he might sell for a guaranteed £410m...he could match the Etihad deal for that, but as he'll NEVER get £160m more than he's spent, it's another one of those daft hypotheticals. I'm not sure what you call 'evidence'? Have you changed your day job to phorensic fbi lab geek? He has hated owning the club more or less every minute since the KK saga. He's never at SJP during the week and neither is fish face. Pardew might as well live in London. That's more like it, bit of banter. Tedious as fuck when it gets on the inevitable trajectory.

Sort it out, Potter.

Aye was just thinking the exact same thing like.

Welcome to the mug-club Is it like owning a Taxi? oooooooooooooooooooh!!!

Chill out.

Thats absolute rubbish statement and you know it is but as usual you attempt to back up your argument by not giving anything valid back and coming up some spurious statement. The amounts involved are irrelevant. A million pound to Ashley is probably the equivalent of a £100 to me so everything is relevant. At the end of the day the argument is that buying something "to have fun" (and its clearly not a tenuous statement Chez as it was in numerous interviews with Mort) should mean that you either pay up for that "fun". See this is the thing for me, he genuinely did buy it to have fun (and ps to flog on at a capital profit at a later date) but largely to play the big spending game and have a hobby in the meantime. Only he found out he wasn't having fun, it wasn't a laugh and he'd paid too much, it owed a lot of money and nobody wanted to buy it off him. That's the reality of it for me. For that reason I have no sympathy for him and he can do one bleating about having to subsidise it, but at the same time you also have to say if nobody does want to subsidise it (meaning a buyer) and clearly nobody else does, then the 'making it pay for itself' standpoint is not massively unreasonable. This is where a lot of what is said is just cobblers: "He bought it principally as a vehicle for Sports Direct" - total cobblers, he's tried to sell it at least once because it was tanking and he didnt start 'logo-ing' us up for years. That has now seemingly become a long term thing because theres no buyer wanting us. To be honest while it's totally obvious the areas where he fucks up and fucks us off and we're well within our rights to bawl him out for this, we're delusional if we just keep saying he 'doesn't realise the potential of Newcastle United' because clearly no other billionaire buyer thinks that way either at the moment. Some leveraged chancer might, but they all disappeared when the banks went tits up-along with FCB's entire exit strategy. Perhaps that wasn't his initial aim, but when you look at how much of the French sportswear market he's planning on taking, is it any coincidence that we have more frenchman/or black african frenchman like Ba, starting for us than Englishmen? I think his plan has evolved over the last two years, to use NUFC as part of a marketing ploy for his business. I really don't care if he signs decent french players rather than English, as long as they're good and they all are. However, the evidence is there for all to see when you add it all up. If he was that keen on showcasing something as an advert to entice big business for the naming rights of the ground, why didn't he ask UNICEF or Cancer Research if they'd like to have naming rights on the ground till a multi million pound offer comes in from big business? I agree with every word of what you've just said to be clear. What I'm saying is all this cobblers about it being a Sports Direct branding plan from the word go is a load of shit. it's just yet another narrative that's evolved recently with people reverse engineering their recollections of his tenure to try to make it fit. As you say, his plan has evolved/changed I'd say at least once. That for me is the essence of Ashley-total whim. That's because we're not priority for him, (SD is) and it's the fact we're not priority for him is my main objection to the man. unfortunately, you are - again - only speaking after the event. When this has been said in the past - and quite a while ago - you scorned it, if it wasn't his intention ages ago, how come YOU didn't see it, especially when it was said ? 4th request - do YOU think we will build on this "platform" ? Or are you, true to form, going to see what happens and pretend you knew best all along ? I can't get to grips with your need for me to answer questions all the time Leazes, I'm simply not arsed to do that with you. I've said before you don't really debate a point properly so theres nowt in it for me. I'll continue to post my views so you can read them if you want or not, but I won't be doing it in response to you specifically. Said this for a fair while now so you might as well leave it.

It's not about you, Leazes, it was about Ashley. Back off the mic a bit.

TS very much on form this week.

Aye, I think that just about covers all likely scenarios tbh. A gamble at NUFC's expense basically. A sponsor might come in, they might not. He's sort of ok in either scenario for different reasons, NUFC brand just looks a bit more diluted if SJP stays as a second fiddle SD billboard.

Thats absolute rubbish statement and you know it is but as usual you attempt to back up your argument by not giving anything valid back and coming up some spurious statement. The amounts involved are irrelevant. A million pound to Ashley is probably the equivalent of a £100 to me so everything is relevant. At the end of the day the argument is that buying something "to have fun" (and its clearly not a tenuous statement Chez as it was in numerous interviews with Mort) should mean that you either pay up for that "fun". See this is the thing for me, he genuinely did buy it to have fun (and ps to flog on at a capital profit at a later date) but largely to play the big spending game and have a hobby in the meantime. Only he found out he wasn't having fun, it wasn't a laugh and he'd paid too much, it owed a lot of money and nobody wanted to buy it off him. That's the reality of it for me. For that reason I have no sympathy for him and he can do one bleating about having to subsidise it, but at the same time you also have to say if nobody does want to subsidise it (meaning a buyer) and clearly nobody else does, then the 'making it pay for itself' standpoint is not massively unreasonable. This is where a lot of what is said is just cobblers: "He bought it principally as a vehicle for Sports Direct" - total cobblers, he's tried to sell it at least once because it was tanking and he didnt start 'logo-ing' us up for years. That has now seemingly become a long term thing because theres no buyer wanting us. To be honest while it's totally obvious the areas where he fucks up and fucks us off and we're well within our rights to bawl him out for this, we're delusional if we just keep saying he 'doesn't realise the potential of Newcastle United' because clearly no other billionaire buyer thinks that way either at the moment. Some leveraged chancer might, but they all disappeared when the banks went tits up-along with FCB's entire exit strategy. Perhaps that wasn't his initial aim, but when you look at how much of the French sportswear market he's planning on taking, is it any coincidence that we have more frenchman/or black african frenchman like Ba, starting for us than Englishmen? I think his plan has evolved over the last two years, to use NUFC as part of a marketing ploy for his business. I really don't care if he signs decent french players rather than English, as long as they're good and they all are. However, the evidence is there for all to see when you add it all up. If he was that keen on showcasing something as an advert to entice big business for the naming rights of the ground, why didn't he ask UNICEF or Cancer Research if they'd like to have naming rights on the ground till a multi million pound offer comes in from big business? I agree with every word of what you've just said to be clear. What I'm saying is all this cobblers about it being a Sports Direct branding plan from the word go is a load of shit. it's just yet another narrative that's evolved recently with people reverse engineering their recollections of his tenure to try to make it fit. As you say, his plan has evolved/changed I'd say at least once. That for me is the essence of Ashley-total whim. That's because we're not priority for him, (SD is) and it's the fact we're not priority for him is my main objection to the man. I'm not deluded enough to demand he spunks his personal billion pound fortune on competing with the very top sides on wages, but I do demand that he absolutely gives committments to the coaching and playing personnel he's put in place when they actually show a desire to play for this football club. Unfortunately for the reasons I've mentioned, I can't have any faith in that being in any way certain or even likely. Whether buying French players promotes branding in France or not I dunno, I would imagine it helps, but for me I reckon he just sees them as the best value for money and for that reason I'm happy for him to keep pursuing that policy via the scouts too. If they want the shirt more than an English player on four times their wages they can have it as far as I'm concerned. I agree with all of that. Regarding SDA, I'm just coming out with scenario's here, but say he had decided to call SJP the Unicef Arena, there'd be strong opposition to it for obvious reasons, however, many hundreds of thousands of Newcastle fans would see that, at least in some way our club are doing some good for a charity which basically promotes human life, and there can be no more noble thing than that, and perhaps it would be a lot easier for a big organisation to come in without the negative publicity SDA is attracting and will continue to attract. Yeah absolutely and as you say that's probably because now everything points to it remaining the SDA as that's likely his preference, rather than actually getting a proper sponsor in. Either that or it could just be a monumental PR fuck up and he does genuinely want a third party sponsor, but either way neither scenario promotes confidence in NUFC seeing the money it ought to out of it, which is all that matters if we are going down the painful route of prostituting tradition.

Thats absolute rubbish statement and you know it is but as usual you attempt to back up your argument by not giving anything valid back and coming up some spurious statement. The amounts involved are irrelevant. A million pound to Ashley is probably the equivalent of a £100 to me so everything is relevant. At the end of the day the argument is that buying something "to have fun" (and its clearly not a tenuous statement Chez as it was in numerous interviews with Mort) should mean that you either pay up for that "fun". See this is the thing for me, he genuinely did buy it to have fun (and ps to flog on at a capital profit at a later date) but largely to play the big spending game and have a hobby in the meantime. Only he found out he wasn't having fun, it wasn't a laugh and he'd paid too much, it owed a lot of money and nobody wanted to buy it off him. That's the reality of it for me. For that reason I have no sympathy for him and he can do one bleating about having to subsidise it, but at the same time you also have to say if nobody does want to subsidise it (meaning a buyer) and clearly nobody else does, then the 'making it pay for itself' standpoint is not massively unreasonable. This is where a lot of what is said is just cobblers: "He bought it principally as a vehicle for Sports Direct" - total cobblers, he's tried to sell it at least once because it was tanking and he didnt start 'logo-ing' us up for years. That has now seemingly become a long term thing because theres no buyer wanting us. To be honest while it's totally obvious the areas where he fucks up and fucks us off and we're well within our rights to bawl him out for this, we're delusional if we just keep saying he 'doesn't realise the potential of Newcastle United' because clearly no other billionaire buyer thinks that way either at the moment. Some leveraged chancer might, but they all disappeared when the banks went tits up-along with FCB's entire exit strategy. Perhaps that wasn't his initial aim, but when you look at how much of the French sportswear market he's planning on taking, is it any coincidence that we have more frenchman/or black african frenchman like Ba, starting for us than Englishmen? I think his plan has evolved over the last two years, to use NUFC as part of a marketing ploy for his business. I really don't care if he signs decent french players rather than English, as long as they're good and they all are. However, the evidence is there for all to see when you add it all up. If he was that keen on showcasing something as an advert to entice big business for the naming rights of the ground, why didn't he ask UNICEF or Cancer Research if they'd like to have naming rights on the ground till a multi million pound offer comes in from big business? I agree with every word of what you've just said to be clear. What I'm saying is all this cobblers about it being a Sports Direct branding plan from the word go is a load of shit. it's just yet another narrative that's evolved recently with people reverse engineering their recollections of his tenure to try to make it fit. As you say, his plan has evolved/changed I'd say at least once. That for me is the essence of Ashley-total whim. That's because we're not priority for him, (SD is) and it's the fact we're not priority for him is my main objection to the man. I'm not deluded enough to demand he spunks his personal billion pound fortune on competing with the very top sides on wages, but I do demand that he absolutely gives committments to the coaching and playing personnel he's put in place when they actually show a desire to play for this football club. Unfortunately for the reasons I've mentioned, I can't have any faith in that being in any way certain or even likely. Whether buying French players promotes branding in France or not I dunno, I would imagine it helps, but for me I reckon he just sees them as the best value for money and for that reason I'm happy for him to keep pursuing that policy via the scouts too. If they want the shirt more than an English player on four times their wages they can have it as far as I'm concerned.

Thats absolute rubbish statement and you know it is but as usual you attempt to back up your argument by not giving anything valid back and coming up some spurious statement. The amounts involved are irrelevant. A million pound to Ashley is probably the equivalent of a £100 to me so everything is relevant. At the end of the day the argument is that buying something "to have fun" (and its clearly not a tenuous statement Chez as it was in numerous interviews with Mort) should mean that you either pay up for that "fun". See this is the thing for me, he genuinely did buy it to have fun (and ps to flog on at a capital profit at a later date) but largely to play the big spending game and have a hobby in the meantime. Only he found out he wasn't having fun, it wasn't a laugh and he'd paid too much, it owed a lot of money and nobody wanted to buy it off him. That's the reality of it for me. For that reason I have no sympathy for him and he can do one bleating about having to subsidise it, but at the same time you also have to say if nobody does want to subsidise it (meaning a buyer) and clearly nobody else does, then the 'making it pay for itself' standpoint is not massively unreasonable. This is where a lot of what is said is just cobblers: "He bought it principally as a vehicle for Sports Direct" - total cobblers, he's tried to sell it at least once because it was tanking and he didnt start 'logo-ing' us up for years. That has now seemingly become a long term thing because theres no buyer wanting us. To be honest while it's totally obvious the areas where he fucks up and fucks us off and we're well within our rights to bawl him out for this, we're delusional if we just keep saying he 'doesn't realise the potential of Newcastle United' because clearly no other billionaire buyer thinks that way either at the moment. Some leveraged chancer might, but they all disappeared when the banks went tits up-along with FCB's entire exit strategy.

tremendous work TS

Got to be given a start at OT to link up with midfield and bring the Man U defenders onto him as he carries the ball. That back four is eminently beatable if he's running at them with confidence and Ba is exploiting the space.

Got to be a posh one for me. That Ruth off Eastenders from years ago-I don't even think she was sposed to be a ned but her accent was so strong it was horrific. Not that she did anything for me anyway but just as an example.

Aye, big one for me that a soft Scots accent. I've got this horrible feeling Stevie was meaning pure ned though if his manc charva comment was anything to go by.

You don't want a hand shandy off a girl who sounds like a wmc comedian and thats just stating the obvious. At some point with any Yorkshire lass you have to just let her down gently.

lamb tagine = fucking lush. My commiserations on the company like, obviously.

I am. I love Belfast accents on women so a do. I like them full stop great accents so they are. They could be saying the most insignificant thing ever but it always sounds interesting in a Belfast accent. "Jusht away for a wee shite sho I ahm". Great accent. I know what you mean about the Yorkshire accent on t'women. It's like to me people from Yorkshire are all taught, and brought up t'proper way, no t'queers, dinner on t'table when t'pub shuts at 3 t'thirteh ont Sunday, or they get shown what t'Barnslehhh discipline is all about. It's like an aggressive stiff upper lip culture where t'spade is t'spade, and even the women get enveloped in that.

Wahey!! Hadn't used it all year!

Tongue on brown.

twist again

You can't be serious about Belfast like?! Christ on a crutch!

Nah Scouse is better on a girl than Manc iyam. That band of Pennine towns between Bury where Scholes is from and T'Leeds is the worst for female accents though. Gets way too deep. Take that Chanel Hayes off BB-bonny as owt but a voice from hell. Hot female accents = Scouse, Geordie, (posh) Scots and South Welsh.