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Goodbye England's Rose.

...in other words, yes it was him. Hope the weird headed fucker does himself a favour today anyway and puts in his best performance yet as we're going to need it. Not even sure why i'm saying that in this thread, still bladdered here.

Can't have any major grumbles with that draw. Will be the only thing that matters when it rolls around and I'll be champing at the bit, but couldn't care less about the odious arseholes in the meantime.

What a surprise. There's degrees of flexibility and then there's taking the piss. Coming in 15 mins late and then chatting for 5 minutes is taking the piss. That 20 minutes is the thick end of 5% her working day, given most people work at around 80% utilistation that's 25% of her day gone for nothing. No, chatting is not frowned upon in the private sector, if the work is getting done, if the work is not getting done, then there is a problem, quite rightly. Defending such behaviour is crass stupidity in todays climate. Given anything that does happen in the public sector is usually late and costs more than it should have . BTW if that scenario is repeated in a private sector environment it leads to business failure and lost jobs, not another huge bucket of government cash. The lack of accountability is staggering. By the same token you want to see how much private sector firms take the piss when they've got their snouts in public sector contracts. Wanting to renegotiate contracts every five minutes too after they've pitched tenders too low just to get their snouts in said trough. And that's coming from someone who's largely very cynical of the public sector. Oh undoubtedly, but that's because it has been a soft touch, a big private sector company would rarely get away with it on another, they'd be told "tough shit, fuck off". The Public sector needs to grow a pair, at all levels. Aye, I agree fwiw. There's more holding to ransom goes on though with public sector contracts though because it has a moral imperative to deliver, unlike the private sector. Which is the essential difference. Private sector workers will bust a gut to save their jobs, it's just pure self interest and survival instinct, they're not higher beings. Don't think you can instill the same in the public sector because it's patently obvious that isn't a commercial reality of the job. People aren't thick so you can't artificially manufacture that, you can only weed out the dickheads. People will always be more motivated to protect themselves (their jobs) ie private sector before they start doing 'altruistic' things for others ie public sector. There is no bigger motivator than self interest, but it simply can't exist in the public sector in anywhere like the same way. It needs to be though. Not all the Public Sector is "alturistic" which is the problem. Doctors, Nurses, Police, Fire, and the like, deserve a hell of a lot more than they get and should be protected. The more "departmental" environments are where reality needs to bite, if a department is failing, outsource it and shut it down. The country cannot afford the waste. Well it's not altruistic at all in the pure sense obviously as it's services rendered for financial compensation in the normal way. Just the 'product' is obviously lauded as it's often something to do with care/welfare. I just mean the jobs are largely taken by people who enter into it wanting to be a public servant ie be paid to carry out a public service for a living. You can't con them that they're carrying out a commercial service because it's plain as day they're not, so equally they'll take the view their job has less of a link with any commercial reality. For the most part, if it's something they're interested in they'll be highly motivated to deliver the product, but they'd never be as highly motivated as if their job depended on it 24/7. And that can never be the case-that is the reality for the reasons mentioned. I agree about those deeply ensconced in departmental duties being the ones who need to feel any incoming culture change the most though. Conversley I'd disagree with you about the front line staff you mention deserving more-of those I'd only say nurses should get better pay (if we're talking in generalities).

What a surprise. There's degrees of flexibility and then there's taking the piss. Coming in 15 mins late and then chatting for 5 minutes is taking the piss. That 20 minutes is the thick end of 5% her working day, given most people work at around 80% utilistation that's 25% of her day gone for nothing. No, chatting is not frowned upon in the private sector, if the work is getting done, if the work is not getting done, then there is a problem, quite rightly. Defending such behaviour is crass stupidity in todays climate. Given anything that does happen in the public sector is usually late and costs more than it should have . BTW if that scenario is repeated in a private sector environment it leads to business failure and lost jobs, not another huge bucket of government cash. The lack of accountability is staggering. By the same token you want to see how much private sector firms take the piss when they've got their snouts in public sector contracts. Wanting to renegotiate contracts every five minutes too after they've pitched tenders too low just to get their snouts in said trough. And that's coming from someone who's largely very cynical of the public sector. Oh undoubtedly, but that's because it has been a soft touch, a big private sector company would rarely get away with it on another, they'd be told "tough shit, fuck off". The Public sector needs to grow a pair, at all levels. Aye, I agree fwiw. There's more holding to ransom goes on though with public sector contracts though because it has a moral imperative to deliver, unlike the private sector. Which is the essential difference. Private sector workers will bust a gut to save their jobs, it's just pure self interest and survival instinct, they're not higher beings. Don't think you can instill the same in the public sector because it's patently obvious that isn't a commercial reality of the job. People aren't thick so you can't artificially manufacture that, you can only weed out the dickheads. People will always be more motivated to protect themselves (their jobs) ie private sector before they start doing 'altruistic' things for others ie public sector. There is no bigger motivator than self interest, but it simply can't exist in the public sector in anywhere like the same way.

Aye, have a good one kidda.

What a surprise. There's degrees of flexibility and then there's taking the piss. Coming in 15 mins late and then chatting for 5 minutes is taking the piss. That 20 minutes is the thick end of 5% her working day, given most people work at around 80% utilistation that's 25% of her day gone for nothing. No, chatting is not frowned upon in the private sector, if the work is getting done, if the work is not getting done, then there is a problem, quite rightly. Defending such behaviour is crass stupidity in todays climate. Given anything that does happen in the public sector is usually late and costs more than it should have . BTW if that scenario is repeated in a private sector environment it leads to business failure and lost jobs, not another huge bucket of government cash. The lack of accountability is staggering. By the same token you want to see how much private sector firms take the piss when they've got their snouts in public sector contracts. Wanting to renegotiate contracts every five minutes too after they've pitched tenders too low just to get their snouts in said trough. And that's coming from someone who's largely very cynical of the public sector.

Maybe if you didn't tip up at work on a bike everyday looking like Timmy Mallet she'd give you some respect as a boss.

Sweet David!

Ouch... He used to be your hero though not so long ago. He was posting from a train very recently-no doubt monitoring trialists in the advanced stages of psychosis employing his incendiary Arab good looks. Gave some cock and bull cover story about arms dealers at the time iirc.

Nailed on this will all come out as being due to some new to the market contraceptive pill. Side effects include massive racist outbursts on trains. Chez no doubt has the inside track hence why he is keeping schtum; loyalty to his paymasters being the only real loyalty he knows.

Curfew? Sounds like half the boards pissed before 11 am here.

Stevie in Friday morning bid to ethnically cleanse the board of all Australians.

Aye, NE5 by the sounds of it.

Not sure there's much point in prosecuting people like her I must say. As it's only going to be a slap on wrists, which is all it can be tbh. She'll be a heroine of the far right now like. At 34 she's had a hard fucking paper round as well. agreed....any good lawyer would be able to get her punishment stayed or reduced as the last two items in Public Order are fairly broad and ill defined. Nah it's right she was nicked I'd say, if you were black and in that compartment with her and theres no way you can just alight the tram instantly you shouldn't have to put up with being abused through no fault of your own. Nobody was 'bringing it on themselves' or escalating it so the public disorder aspect of it was all her own work. I'm glad for them that she'll go in front of the Mags for it as it's important to send a message that's not what you should have to put up with if you're on public transport minding your own business. The sentence will be minimal as Alex says but it's beside the point for me. She's spent a night in custody already too by the sounds of it. totally agree with what you're saying MM, she's a complete idiot but she is also only giving her opinion (as deluded and fucked up as it may be). to bad for the kid as has already been pointed out, you can tell he's distrought by the whole thing and doesn't know why everyone is shouting at mummy....unfortunately she will be the one to explain it to him. Thing is theres 'giving your opinion' and then theres giving your opinion incessantly ie harassing people. You can give your opinion once and you've made your point, if you feel you need to make it. People can then decide to engage with you about it or not. If you engage, it can become a conversation, if not, that should be the end of the matter-the holder of the opinion has had their freedom of expression and the next person should then have their freedom to go about their lawful business in peace. In this case the rest of the tram clearly decide it's not a conversation they want to have as she's just some racist arsehole, but they're not allowed to go in peace as she's intent on abusing them. That's harassment. Freedom of expression and freedom not to be harassed are two very easily reconcilable rights despite what the media often says.

"Everywhere on this aisle; there's fucking chicken dippers, microwave fries, roast potatoes. Not a single overpriced fucking organic item in sight. Fuck off back to Sainsburys if you want that African shit. Real British mums eat BRITISH FOOD. Like Pizzas, half price now" :lol:

Not sure there's much point in prosecuting people like her I must say. As it's only going to be a slap on wrists, which is all it can be tbh. She'll be a heroine of the far right now like. At 34 she's had a hard fucking paper round as well. agreed....any good lawyer would be able to get her punishment stayed or reduced as the last two items in Public Order are fairly broad and ill defined. Nah it's right she was nicked I'd say, if you were black and in that compartment with her and theres no way you can just alight the tram instantly you shouldn't have to put up with being abused through no fault of your own. Nobody was 'bringing it on themselves' or escalating it so the public disorder aspect of it was all her own work. I'm glad for them that she'll go in front of the Mags for it as it's important to send a message that's not what you should have to put up with if you're on public transport minding your own business. The sentence will be minimal as Alex says but it's beside the point for me. She's spent a night in custody already too by the sounds of it.

Probably end up with her own Iceland's ad.

Bookmarked.

Think that was Tears for Fears.

Thought Baggio was going to lamp her at 1:12.

Durham's finest! Happy Birthday T-keith!

Reminds me of a young Rob Lee

Lad at work reckons Brian McNally is claiming he has the name of the new manager but can't divulge it. Apparently it isn't one of the names being talked about, i.e. Hughes or O'Neill. Could be complete shite like but it would tie in with the likes of Bruce Arena. Would love it to be someone like that like. Tina Arena?

The Sixth Beatle.