Gemmill

Pot stirring? We know NEwcastle has racism problems. There are literally hundreds of incidents every season. listen at the ground, in the pubs, on forums. Alex Williams is the most obvious - hoying bananas at him. Its not shit-stirring. Its simply pointing out that we havent got rid of the problems. On KROF day it needs reaffirming. Tyneside isnt very tolerant. Its fickle alright but is there more? Probably yes. A lot more in my view. We, as fans need to be active. Not sticking head in sand like Peasepud has doen and throw arms in air. ITs not all or nothing. If some are - and there are plenty of them - it doesnt follow the peasepud path of sgetting stroppy and suggesting I said ALL are. Nor does it mean NONE are. However, there are plenty. Sadly. At matches some jeer poor players. Others? Well, its hardly coincidental is it? 48682[/snapback] There is a very very small minority of arseholes that will shout out something racist on very rare occasions. That's inexcusable, but I don't think it can accurately be referred to as a "racism problem" - that to me sounds like something deep-seated and widespread and I don't know whereabouts you sit in the ground, but that isn't my experience where I sit. And before anyone starts, I'm not excusing anything or trying to brush the racist comments that are sometimes (and I'm talking VERY rarely, in my experience) made under the carpet. To me, a club with "racism problems" would be one where a black player suffers monkey-chanting etc. I've heard one racist comment this season where I sit and probably two last season, both at away games - sorry, but that's an ignorant arsehole problem, not an entrenched racism problem. The argument that black players are receiving stick because they're black is ridiculous by the way. The ones that you've listed have got stick because they've been playing completely shite - playing the race card on their behalf is pathetic. 48696[/snapback] Personally i have no wish to re-open this can of worms. I said my piece before and i thought a very good debate followed. I also have no wish to create any divisions on here because i like all the regulars i 'know'. However Gemmil, if the last paragraph above is your view with regards to the attitude of all football fans in general, then i think it is a little blinkered. 48705[/snapback] Its a can of worms. Answer this Gemmill. Do Black players get an even playing field regarding abuse - even how 'shite' they are? We win yesterday and out comes the bile towards players who werent even playing? Is that just shit fans? Dont know do we? Babayaro has actually played well this season. He has to do twice what Stephen Carr does to avoid abuse. titus always has got more abuse than AOB. - even though both played poorly. In 2005 Gemmill you have heard racist abuse. In itself, even if its 'just' a slip of the tongue, its ridiculous. The undercurrent is still there in more than the morons though. Black people tend to have to work harder in life to prove themselves. there is documented evidence of that. I suspect that NUFCs black players fall into the same category. They have to do more to avoid the abuse. Nobody is doubting the players have had moments when they have been poor. However, they are one slip up away from more abuse. Others, like Milner, Carr, Ambrose, AOB (for a long long time), Griffin, ALL played badly but didnt get the same level of abuse. Why? Its not a race card Gemmill. Its a very important topic that doesnt need knee jerk replies. 48707[/snapback] I'm not suggesting that racism doesn't exist but I'm not prepared to make assumptions that a player is receiving stick because of the colour of their skin, when that player is consistently underperforming. I've heard plenty of moans and groans at mistakes made by white players too - Nicky Butt got it in the neck plenty, as did O'Brien. As I've said I'm not naively suggesting that there aren't some who think the way you've said, but I know personally that my problems with particular players stem from their performances, whatever their skin colour may be.

Pot stirring? We know NEwcastle has racism problems. There are literally hundreds of incidents every season. listen at the ground, in the pubs, on forums. Alex Williams is the most obvious - hoying bananas at him. Its not shit-stirring. Its simply pointing out that we havent got rid of the problems. On KROF day it needs reaffirming. Tyneside isnt very tolerant. Its fickle alright but is there more? Probably yes. A lot more in my view. We, as fans need to be active. Not sticking head in sand like Peasepud has doen and throw arms in air. ITs not all or nothing. If some are - and there are plenty of them - it doesnt follow the peasepud path of sgetting stroppy and suggesting I said ALL are. Nor does it mean NONE are. However, there are plenty. Sadly. At matches some jeer poor players. Others? Well, its hardly coincidental is it? 48682[/snapback] There is a very very small minority of arseholes that will shout out something racist on very rare occasions. That's inexcusable, but I don't think it can accurately be referred to as a "racism problem" - that to me sounds like something deep-seated and widespread and I don't know whereabouts you sit in the ground, but that isn't my experience where I sit. And before anyone starts, I'm not excusing anything or trying to brush the racist comments that are sometimes (and I'm talking VERY rarely, in my experience) made under the carpet. To me, a club with "racism problems" would be one where a black player suffers monkey-chanting etc. I've heard one racist comment this season where I sit and probably two last season, both at away games - sorry, but that's an ignorant arsehole problem, not an entrenched racism problem. The argument that black players are receiving stick because they're black is ridiculous by the way. The ones that you've listed have got stick because they've been playing completely shite - playing the race card on their behalf is pathetic. 48696[/snapback] Personally i have no wish to re-open this can of worms. I said my piece before and i thought a very good debate followed. I also have no wish to create any divisions on here because i like all the regulars i 'know'. However Gemmil, if the last paragraph above is your view with regards to the attitude of all football fans in general, then i think it is a little blinkered. 48705[/snapback] It's my attitude with regards to the lads I know that go to watch Newcastle - I can only speak from my own experiences. Not many like Jenas (because he was shit), not many think much of Shola (because he's invariably disappointing), and they're beginning to have a problem with Boumsong (because he doesn't look like much of a defender at the moment). There isn't one of them that has a problem with these players because of the colour of their skin, or at least none that have made that public.

Jeepers you're in a patronising mood today! 48699[/snapback] Sir, he started it sir!

Pot stirring? We know NEwcastle has racism problems. There are literally hundreds of incidents every season. listen at the ground, in the pubs, on forums. Alex Williams is the most obvious - hoying bananas at him. Its not shit-stirring. Its simply pointing out that we havent got rid of the problems. On KROF day it needs reaffirming. Tyneside isnt very tolerant. Its fickle alright but is there more? Probably yes. A lot more in my view. We, as fans need to be active. Not sticking head in sand like Peasepud has doen and throw arms in air. ITs not all or nothing. If some are - and there are plenty of them - it doesnt follow the peasepud path of sgetting stroppy and suggesting I said ALL are. Nor does it mean NONE are. However, there are plenty. Sadly. At matches some jeer poor players. Others? Well, its hardly coincidental is it? 48682[/snapback] There is a very very small minority of arseholes that will shout out something racist on very rare occasions. That's inexcusable, but I don't think it can accurately be referred to as a "racism problem" - that to me sounds like something deep-seated and widespread and I don't know whereabouts you sit in the ground, but that isn't my experience where I sit. And before anyone starts, I'm not excusing anything or trying to brush the racist comments that are sometimes (and I'm talking VERY rarely, in my experience) made under the carpet. To me, a club with "racism problems" would be one where a black player suffers monkey-chanting etc. I've heard one racist comment this season where I sit and probably two last season, both at away games - sorry, but that's an ignorant arsehole problem, not an entrenched racism problem. The argument that black players are receiving stick because they're black is ridiculous by the way. The ones that you've listed have got stick because they've been playing completely shite - playing the race card on their behalf is pathetic.

The crowd is getting worse at SJP. Its like listening to bairns playing Championship Manager. Walk up to the ground and you here SKYSPORTS soundbites. "This one is WORLD CLASS - CNZ" (and he was poor today- one or two touches and people start rolling over themselves to honour him-in two months they will have him as scapegoat) Sheep? Unfortunately that is too true. I still go to other grounds when i cant get to away games. Places like Norwich, Ipswich, Sheffield Wed, Crewe, Luton etc have a core of proper fans who have been there for years. They understand the club AND its history (before the bairns start - 4 of those have won trophies more recently than us). Better astmosphere. Less spoilt. Ours is getting an embarrassment. Perhaps we grew to quickly and left a generation who didnt get in acting like automatons. Perhaps its tellys overkill. whatever it is. I have never seen a crowd at SJP more fickle and less aware than it is recently (last 5 years or so) 48622[/snapback] Jesus wept. The fact that the whole "Easy" thing never gets done at SJP apart from yesterday and on very rare occasions at cup games proves to me that it was used yesterday for no other reason than to wind the mackems up. Talk of "40,000 wankaz" and condemnation of the majority of the crowd is a slight overreaction to people taking the piss out of some plebs in the away end, don't you think?? Incidentally I wasn't involved in the chant, and think it's a bit crap, but I'm not quite self-righteous enough to pass judgement on those that were. 48634[/snapback] The chant isnt the point Gemmill. The atmosphere and fickle nature of our crowd is. People seem incapable of thinking without something they heard some fat bloke on SKY say popping into the conversation/argument. Sheep.Easy Easy is simply another example. An embarrassing and cheesy one. 48684[/snapback] Well yesterday we actually had an atmosphere and yet you've decided you didn't like the chants that were a part of it. Now who's fickle?

Do you think that crossbar saved Souness' job? 48677[/snapback] Judging by the look on Shepherd's face at 2-2, I'd say it's a distinct possibility.

Well yes we are missing a fully fit Dyer (happy now?) but for fuck sake when was the last time we actually played more than 6 games in a row with a fully fit Dyer??? For you Gemmill my son 48660[/snapback] I've taken the liberty of moving the bold part of your post. The fact that a player is injury-prone doesn't take away from the fact that you miss them when they're injured. Do you understand this yet? I'll knock something together on Paint if you need pictures.

Well yes we are missing a fully fit Dyer 48651[/snapback] So I'm right then? Having another bad day mate? This one's got your knickers right in a twist. 48654[/snapback] No I'm fine Gemmill, thanks for asking. It would help if you quote me in full as opposed what you have choosen to do but as long as it supports your facts then it's all fine isn't it? The beauty is I know you are smart enough to know I'm not wrong and that you are merely enjoying the Monday morning post match what if talking out your arse. 48655[/snapback] Hmmmm....all I said was that we've missed Dyer while he's been out injured. You wittered on about how it was impossible to know if we've missed him because we can't know if he would have played well had he been available. However the fact that we were denied his availability was IMO enough justification to say that we've missed him. You've since agreed that we've missed a fully fit Dyer which is all I said. So you agree with me but you still wish to add caveats to what is really a very simple statement.

Well yes we are missing a fully fit Dyer 48651[/snapback] So I'm right then? Having another bad day mate? This one's got your knickers right in a twist.

Actually that is surmise because we don't know what he would of contributed, if anything. He is injured a lot and is paid a lot of money is FACT. 48636[/snapback] Sorry like, but I don't think it's too big a stretch to suggest that we have missed having a fit Kieron Dyer around. 48645[/snapback] Gemmill, FACT and "too big a stretch" I would say are not even remotely the same. That's like saying we would score more goals if Bellars was still a Newcastle player - [leazes]FACT[/leaze or [gemmill]bullshit[/gemmill]. As I said surmise and I gave you the FACT about Dyer. 48648[/snapback] Jesus wept. It is a fact that we have missed having a fit Kieron Dyer in the squad, same as it is a fact that we have missed a lot of the other players that have been out injured. You don't agree, which makes it a fact that you're wrong.

Happy birthday titheed.

A shoo-in for the World Cup squad.

Actually that is surmise because we don't know what he would of contributed, if anything. He is injured a lot and is paid a lot of money is FACT. 48636[/snapback] Sorry like, but I don't think it's too big a stretch to suggest that we have missed having a fit Kieron Dyer around.

We've missed Dyer while he's been out injured. FACT.

The crowd is getting worse at SJP. Its like listening to bairns playing Championship Manager. Walk up to the ground and you here SKYSPORTS soundbites. "This one is WORLD CLASS - CNZ" (and he was poor today- one or two touches and people start rolling over themselves to honour him-in two months they will have him as scapegoat) Sheep? Unfortunately that is too true. I still go to other grounds when i cant get to away games. Places like Norwich, Ipswich, Sheffield Wed, Crewe, Luton etc have a core of proper fans who have been there for years. They understand the club AND its history (before the bairns start - 4 of those have won trophies more recently than us). Better astmosphere. Less spoilt. Ours is getting an embarrassment. Perhaps we grew to quickly and left a generation who didnt get in acting like automatons. Perhaps its tellys overkill. whatever it is. I have never seen a crowd at SJP more fickle and less aware than it is recently (last 5 years or so) 48622[/snapback] Jesus wept. The fact that the whole "Easy" thing never gets done at SJP apart from yesterday and on very rare occasions at cup games proves to me that it was used yesterday for no other reason than to wind the mackems up. Talk of "40,000 wankaz" and condemnation of the majority of the crowd is a slight overreaction to people taking the piss out of some plebs in the away end, don't you think?? Incidentally I wasn't involved in the chant, and think it's a bit crap, but I'm not quite self-righteous enough to pass judgement on those that were.

I don't like the "Easy" chant, but if they'd beaten us and started doing it, it would have pissed me off, so I think it's safe to say it pissed them off today, so it was fine by me.

Anal tbh. Strange for a creative type, it's the type of thing I'd expect from Gemmill. 47896[/snapback] I said it was anal It's a myth that creative types aren't anal too. As an aside, Jimi Hendrix was an absolute geek when it came to getting the right sounds on his records. 47903[/snapback] Chesney Hawkes wasn't overly fussy though but.

I thought we'd established a while back that people are hostile towards you because you're a knacker. 47851[/snapback] Winking after an insult is hilarious. Well done! 47856[/snapback] D'you think? Not as funny as crying like a bairn when someone jokingly insults you IMO.

I'm quite proud of my medals. I sent links to friends so they could see me in first place. The only other thing I ever won was a raffle for a teddy bear. 47731[/snapback] I'm proud of beating Gemmill. That's about all really. 47733[/snapback] I can understand why that would fill you with pride. I'll be taking that mantle back before too long though tbh.

I'm 30 in a couple of months like. Luckily I've retained my devilishly handsome appearance.

I thought we'd established a while back that people are hostile towards you because you're a knacker.

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Isnt that the quote your boss made about you? 46999[/snapback] That's right, you big streaky pissy thing.

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