ChocChip

Yeah, i guessed as much. I think that some of them just say the most obnoxious thing they can think of rather than a true reflection of the views of 'other' people.

Personally i thought what J69 said was funny, maybe you need to know the context. He just beat me to it actually.

PM me, i've got some blinging gear, blow you f**king brains maaaaaan!

F**king Hell !!!!!!!!!!!!! I felt sure i should be saying something through all that but i couldn't understand half of it and the rest made me cringe I'll post this though, i've never been to Newcastle so i would never comment upon it's people and their various attitudes. I've been involved in a debate about players on here before so i won't repeat all that. I have heard racist comments directed at players at (i think) every away game i've been to. I might add these have mostly been in London but, judging by the fans accents, it was people from the North-East screaming them. I have felt intimidated before but i'm a bit bigger now and also other NUFC fans have only had nice words to say to me. I've felt edgy about taking my little sister but that's also to do with the bad language as well as the occasional racist comment. She'll have to learn someday that it's just part of life. However, and this couldn't sound more patronising so i apologise beforehand, i think it's hard for a white English person to understand or empathise with a how a black English person can sometimes feel in certain situations or atmosphere's. There are times when people's reactions to myself are not warranted by my behaviour or anything i've said. This can be in the form of, assuming i represent some form a physical threat to a person walking alone (i think all youths suffer this regardless of colour but i've noticed in slightly more towards black boys/men), as an afterthought to that, i'm sure in Newcastle (judging from the t.v.) that if a charver suddenly appears behind you in a quiet road, you assume the worst! Going into a shop can often arouse the owner or hired security's suspicions and i'm often followed until i leave. It can also take the form of some white lads seemingly deliberately picking me or another black lad out for some conversation that seems friendly enough before they eventually getting round to a whispered question of 'Do i know anyone who can sell them some dope?' I'm old enough yet to know if racism is prevelant in the work place and my relatives have been self-employed as builders/decorators, etc. The Police. This is not an exaggeration, everytime i've seen the police pulling a car driver over and questioning him, everytime i've seen them stopping and questioning a youth on the pavement, everytime i've seen them conduct a stop and search on the street, it's been a black boy/man. I do not live in a especially black area, it is disproportianate. Eventually it gets to you. Black idolisation of gun culture and hip-hop life style is deeply damaging imo. However there is a fair arguement that it is a reaction to an unfair social and justice system which has always victimised the underclass, regardless of colour incidentally. The ruling white system acted very unjustly towards slaves, former slaves and their offspring. I often ask myself 'What happened here?' When the 1st Caribbean people came here they were good, hard working friendly folk. Their children and their childrens children have very different attitudes. Is that purely down to the 'Black Mind Set' or does it also have something to do with black children, being born and raised here and told they should have the same rights and opportunities as white's, looking at how their parents are being treated and then deciding all is not what it seems in England? I look at Indians, Pakistani's, etc. I used to think they were different, that they've handled it so much better, now i look at poor Asian areas and the crime and destructive attitudes within it and i think they haven't done much better really. There are a lot more Asian professionals and i can't tell you why. We're no different in terms of physiology that our brains couldn't handle the learning, so why is it? Part of it may be due to the attitude of the host country. Indians, i think, were always regarded for their intellingence, their history is evident as are their accomplishments before the colonisation. They have never lost sight of their, culture, history or language. My ancestors were enslaved, shipped like cattle, just animals to help in the field. Stripped of all dignity, knowledge of self and one's past. I can't truly understand what damage that kind of displacment did to my father's father' father's father psyche, can you? And yet that displacement is the reason i am here. 2 things will finally eliminate discriminatory attitudes towards blacks in England: 1) Time, eventually we will have been here so long and so inter bred that it will be normal. 2) When the hysterical media find a new devil to focus on, some new immigrant population that feels the brunt of the prejudice. The Irish have had it, the Blacks, the Asians maybe now the east europeans (harder i think because they're white) maybe Arabs, muslim and dark skinned!!!!! Personally i consider myself English, the place i was born, the language i speak and the culture i understand. What someone may consider me is their business and not something i'd let deter me from what i want out of life.

A one match ban for Carr I think. 49252[/snapback] The Headline could read 'Carr Parked for 1 game' go on, tell me i'm a wasted talent

Also has a lot of black academics, something you don't find in UK Universities. 49251[/snapback] Uncle Tom's tbh.

It's pretty good time to be black at the mo' actually. All the negative media hype is firmly fixed on the 'muslim problem' and the majority of Afro-Caribbean's come from Christian backgrounds.

Ooooooohhhhh!!!!!!! Beat me to it. That's what i was going to say!

That's an easy question, no they wouldn't. I wouldn't get too caught up in media hyseria, or what we should probably call social hysteria, it's a good topic but not the one at hand. If I brutally murder someone because they are black am I any worse than someone who brutally murders someone for sleeping with their wife? I'm not convinced. 49132[/snapback] your still a murderer, but in one case your also racist. 49136[/snapback] Is not the crime of murder so horrific that any motive is equally condemnable?

Exxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxactly. Anyway, i'm off lads. A friend has asked me to aid the cause for racial equilibrium by engaging in a spot of car-radio de-installation. He says it's a political statement.

thats because the black to white ratio is quite low. English is historically a white country, black people emigrated over 5, 10, 15 generations ago. there will always be more white people in england than black people, the same goes for when you go to the pub, the match, the shops etc... its not racism, just like there will always be more black people than white people in africa. Im not denying that racism doesnt happen, of course it does, but positive discrimination will only serve to exacerbate the problem in my opinion. i was looking on the police website the other day and was shocked to read the recruitment statement that said they encouraged applications from ethnic minorities, gays and lesbians etc. it was worded in a way that implied applications from these groups would be looked upon more favourably. that really fucks me off, why would someone make a better copper cos hes black? 48846[/snapback] 'Cause he'd know who all the criminals are, obvious tbh

Mr C, This appears to be the second time you have thought I was referring to your good self, I however am not, the wonders of IP checks available to Mods and Admin mean that we can see who has registered/ posted from a particular IP address and yours didnt come up in this case. Out of interest, what was it I said that made you think it was you? Yours confusedly, Pud. *runs to do IP check on ChocChip 48839[/snapback] Mr P. My humblest of apologies. I read the thread properly after i posted, fool that i am, and only then realised Mr B. seemed to have 2 usernames. I concured you were probably refering to him. Still, i am slightly shocked and more tham a little offended that you think me incapable of this level of intellectual arguement. I'm sure i could if i spent less time repeatedly looking through the 'Fit Birds & Blokes' thread Yours with increasing myopia, Chip, C. Jnr

Five minutes? Well, yesterday was Kick Racism out of football day Renton. So for the first time ever I registered as not_a_racist As the day was done and the event gone. I renamed as Bez. A man I saw many times with the Happy Mondays. Been here for about 36 hours now. 36 hours = 36 *60 = 2160 minutes Not every 10 minutes as you claim. Thanks Yours sincerely, The smug, arrogant bastard! 48789[/snapback] I would have preferred it if you'd stuck with your original name though ie the one you registered with in early August and have made many posts on, I actually think that if you'd posted from that account then people may have taken you more seriously from the beginning as seeing a new member appear and start these types of discussions can often be seen as a wind up. 48819[/snapback] Mr. Pud, I would just like to let you know personally that i , Mr. Chip, first name Choc, have only made one post on this thread prior to this one. I suspect that you think i am masquerading in various guises, if so, you're wrong. I have been following this thread (though it is boring tbh) but haven't posted much myself as i've said all i wanted to say ages ago and can't see much point doing it all again. In case any confusion occurs again, and i am mistaken for another, please remember, i'm the one with a sense of humour. Yours sincerely, Chip, C.

Pot stirring? We know NEwcastle has racism problems. There are literally hundreds of incidents every season. listen at the ground, in the pubs, on forums. Alex Williams is the most obvious - hoying bananas at him. Its not shit-stirring. Its simply pointing out that we havent got rid of the problems. On KROF day it needs reaffirming. Tyneside isnt very tolerant. Its fickle alright but is there more? Probably yes. A lot more in my view. We, as fans need to be active. Not sticking head in sand like Peasepud has doen and throw arms in air. ITs not all or nothing. If some are - and there are plenty of them - it doesnt follow the peasepud path of sgetting stroppy and suggesting I said ALL are. Nor does it mean NONE are. However, there are plenty. Sadly. At matches some jeer poor players. Others? Well, its hardly coincidental is it? 48682[/snapback] There is a very very small minority of arseholes that will shout out something racist on very rare occasions. That's inexcusable, but I don't think it can accurately be referred to as a "racism problem" - that to me sounds like something deep-seated and widespread and I don't know whereabouts you sit in the ground, but that isn't my experience where I sit. And before anyone starts, I'm not excusing anything or trying to brush the racist comments that are sometimes (and I'm talking VERY rarely, in my experience) made under the carpet. To me, a club with "racism problems" would be one where a black player suffers monkey-chanting etc. I've heard one racist comment this season where I sit and probably two last season, both at away games - sorry, but that's an ignorant arsehole problem, not an entrenched racism problem. The argument that black players are receiving stick because they're black is ridiculous by the way. The ones that you've listed have got stick because they've been playing completely shite - playing the race card on their behalf is pathetic. 48696[/snapback] Personally i have no wish to re-open this can of worms. I said my piece before and i thought a very good debate followed. I also have no wish to create any divisions on here because i like all the regulars i 'know'. However Gemmil, if the last paragraph above is your view with regards to the attitude of all football fans in general, then i think it is a little blinkered.

Chopra wasn't on the pitch much on Sunday but he didn't look like he was upto much either. I think it was Alex who said that Souness doesn't pick him based on what he see's in training and on the briefest evidence from Sunday i'd agree. I think Souness may play his best team, can't afford to lose the game i reckon.

Jeezus fookin Christ on a bloody big bike. What you saying now? that all Toon fans are racist? if you're going to post shite like that why not do it under the pseudonym you normally use for that stuff? 48561[/snapback] If you mean me, it's not me. I'm me, not him. Geddit?

Saw it on telly. Given 6 Didn't have to pull off the usual string of amazing saves. Thought he could have got a hand on the 1st goal. Carr 6 Wasn't tested too much, got forward now & again. Taylor 8 Beaten in the air by Le Tallec, overall good display though. Boum 5 Great athlete, not a footballer IMO Solano 7 Quality on the ball, a good thinker and talker. Would make a better captain than Shearer. Emre 7 Passing wasn't incredible but probably didn't have much to pass to, lost the ball in critical area, great FK. Parker 4 BY HIS STANDARDS. Whenever they attacked, he was the wrong side of the ball. Bad, bad positional play. Better option than Faye and i'm told he wasn't fit, should've stayed just in front of the back 4 then and had a breather, at least he'd have been in the right place! Zog 6 Not bad, needs a game or 2 off i think. Very industrious and postive. VERY LUCKY about the non-penalty. Ameobi 8 Hard to slate him after that but i can't help but be a reserved voice in a crowd of applauding pundits. Shearer 5 Zero goal threat, didn't lose the ball much though which is enough for a 9 for some people. Ramage 7 Clearly a defender who has been coached by people other than those who supervise our first team. Intelligent defending.

Been mulling over whether to post this in case it's seen as flippant but it might cheer someone and it is true: When NUFC sold Woodgate to Real Madrid my sister was so upset she told me she was gonna kill herself! Well, she ate a whole tub of vitamin C pills. She was quite sick and she told me it turned her poo orange Hasn't had a cold since mind.

Owen doesn't play and Emre and Solano aren't fully fit? Might be worth thinking about. We'll pump high balls upto Shearer and i reckon their defence will have no problems with that (it's all they must do in training tbh). If i was them i'd say, get down the right wing 'cause Elliott's shite, cross to the far post 'cause Carr's short and scramble a goal. We won't have much presence in our own box apart from Taylor. Boum doesn't like the ball in the air and if Parker drops back he's an half pint an all. If we get an early goal i think we'll be OK until the last 15 minutes, if they score first i reckon we'll be in doo doo.

You're practically glowing green tbh. Anyway I heard about this survey on Radio 5 this morning (before nicking the link from N-O) and it wasn't conducted in the most scientific way. I would agree with the results however 47828[/snapback] I saw a similar thing on TV recently (forget exactly what) and it showed exactly the same thing, basically that Northerners are sound and cockneys are cunts! 47836[/snapback] If your talking about me, i swear i'll hit you so f**king hard i might even illicit a small yellow bruise

I never said it was purely for racist jokes, just that if you've got a racist joke, this is where it should go. Unpleasantly racist? Could you tell me what pleasant racism is? I thought all racism was unpleasant. Should I PM you all my racist jokes before posting and you can decide if they're acceptably racist? 47837[/snapback] As long as they're about white people i think you should be free to post whatever you like

How very, very tragic. I'm even younger than you and would feel woefully inadequate when faced with such trauma so my thoughts aren't worth pittance. Your clearly in a desperate situation yourself so, as the wiser ones here have already said, let those people who know the lay of the land help you all through this. I wish you all the very best.

To be honest I dont think you can honestly say what you'd be left with in that fixture if you removed the religious element. 47365[/snapback] I can honestly say i could never feel the same about the Tyne-Wear derby so i won't try and fake it Hope we win because it's 3 points, also no one down likes them for two simple reasons, they're dirty and play shiiiiiiite football. I met a Mackem fan once, thoroughly nice fella who was deeply perturbed i supported NUFC, they beat us just after i met him but i could tell he didn't get much out of ribbing me about it 'cause i clearly couldn't give a f**k.

Tbqph, i think Faith is symbol of the denegration of women in modern society who has clearly sold whatever integrity she may have had as a progressive member of todays equalitarian populus for the cheap but short-term profit at the expense of her fellow woman kind. I for one am saddened and disgusted at this download and will write to the host site explaining.................whoa, check it out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lesbo action

No. You better get used to idea i'm afraid.