Toonpack

Fuck off, it's not dogma, it's fact.

Not BS at all, it's all true. It's nowt to do with managed decline, it's inevitable and is happening and has been happening for years, I ran my first offshoring project (to India) of first line IT support activities, 9 fucking years ago, they now do second and third line support as a matter of course (the whole shebang in other words), for many of the major players in IT and thus a lot of blue chips etc. The company I worked for at that time is now Indian owned, it was US owned at the time and there's possibly a third the number of folks left in the UK (and the US in the same company division) at most. I've been involved in ships being built in Singapore, with their cranes coming from China and the final fitting out assemby/commisioning in Rotterdam, heavy lift barges being refitted in Singapore and commissioned in Angola, so please don't call bullshit on stuff you know fuck all about. Why not the Tyne or the Clyde ?? (and it's nowt to do with previous governments) How do we compete/level the playing field with the emerging markets then ???

I see that as a solution everywhere to be fair, including Euro cash.

Indeed Couldn't want St Liedown to win owt, ever !! Especially against the Jambo's, who had a fab WAAAY over the line, goal against, not given in the Hibee derby

This one side versus another political dogma is all bullshit, they're all a bunch of self serving cathwords at the beck and call of their paymasters. The problems of society are many and various and none easily solvable. We are in a global economy, our (UK) standard of living, even for the poor is lightyears better than it is for the "poor" in other countries, similarly the working conditions and pay. Problem is, thanks to market globalisation, you get your work done work anywhere, and our workforce can't compete with the other candidate countries for the majority of work, from IT through to shipbuilding, due to the underlying expected/entrenched standards of living. Even forgetting that you're never going to have full employment (or even close) how can you ?? As an example, look at the rules for maternity leave (as an example) jobs have to be held open, unlike in my day, when there was regular turnover due to women leaving to have bairns. Geez even paternity leave wasn't heard of, I had to take some of my annual leave which didn't financially impact my employer. As a country our standards, that we're accustomed to, are so high we're never going to fix it unless India, China and the far east slip into the sea. Irrespective of the blue or red bollocks at the top.

Don't doubt that for a minute, they are the folk who should be getting every help, sadly there's a load who do "sponge" and that's all they are interested in, as far as I can see there is no drive to identify and tackle that issue so that those who need the help get it and those who don't give a shit suffer enough to start to "care" because sadly tough is all they'll understand.

Wouldn't disagree that they are a significant part of the problem.

Like it or not, there is a group of folks who cannot, and will not, function in a society, an underclass if you will, always been there, always will be there no matter what you do. Fuck me, I've been to visit houses where, despite perfectly functional plumbing, there's been pails of shit around the place, weeks worth of dirty nappies all over etc etc but always plenty of booze around. As well as a society there is an equal social responsibility on all and that ain't going to come about by hand holding.

Why should we fund their "issues", that type of person irrespective of how the money is dished out will take from the Mrs anyway, there should be a crime of social irresponsibility and the fuckers should be locked up. We certainly shouldn't encourage them to breed. Never understood with the drug problems (as an example) how users get arrested/fined/locked up but aren't screwed down to reveal their source of supply and so forth up the supply chain, and that goes for scratter users and celebs. When I was a youngun I worked in debt collection for Northern Gas as was, office side, arranging payment terms for those who couldn't pay, always used to piss me off no end, there were the really genuine hardship cases (who really tried to help themselves) and then there were those who would roll in to reception after 3.00 (when the pubs shut) stinking of drink to explain why they'd missed their payments. Will never forget bumping into a lad I went to school with on the metro and he mentioned he was a social worker and I said "bane of my life profession, and mentioned the hardship versus drunks scenario, and how in my experience DHSS did fuck all for the genuine folks but fought tooth and nail for the wasters" he replied in respect of the wasters "They've got to have their recreation". Couldn't believe it, This was in the days of no paternity/maternity leave or childcare bollocks, if you had a kid you your Mrs had to leave work and you had to support them all and if you didn't have the cash you didn't get your recreation. No matter how much you throw at these types it'll get pissed up a wall/smoked/injected/gambled. End of.

And that is the general populations problem, how exactly ????

Irrelevant IMO, Guivarc'h won one of them.

With a wonka suit on.

What exactly was wrong with his initial decision, your card is likely faulty due to cack molecules/shrapnel from your standing up wiper antics tbh.

The steward, i.e. a representative of the club, let you in ?? BTW he likely broke/contravened numerous rules by letting you in, with invalid credentials, go ahead complain and get him sacked.

So they didn't refuse you access to the game then ??

9 wins in their last 43 games under O'negative (that includes MK Dons and Morecambe)

Form table would suggest we'll win at least two of the last 9: 1 Manchester United 6 5 1 0 +10 16 2 Arsenal 6 4 1 1 +6 13 3 Tottenham Hotspur 6 4 1 11 +3 13 4 Newcastle United 6 4 0 2 +3 12 5 Liverpool 6 3 2 1 +8 11 6 Manchester City 6 3 2 1 +3 11 7 Chelsea 6 3 1 2 +2 10 8 West Bromwich Albion 6 3 0 3 +1 9 9 Everton 6 2 2 2 0 8 10 Fulham 6 2 2 2 0 8 11 Queens Park Rangers 6 2 2 2 -2 8 12 Aston Villa 6 2 1 3 -1 7 13 Swansea City 6 2 1 3 -3 7 14 Norwich City 6 1 4 1 -3 7 15 West Ham United 6 2 0 4 -6 6 16 Southampton 6 1 2 3 -2 5 17 Wigan Athletic 6 1 2 3 -5 5 18 Stoke City 6 1 1 4 -3 4 19 Reading 6 1 1 4 -6 4 20 Sunderland 6 0 2 4 -5 2

This, he's never going to be a world beater but he's a competent footballer who's maximising his ability. He was excellent tonight.

In stupidly cold conditions, I heartily agree with your sentiment.

The only ever present danger that remains common for sitters (normal folks) or standers (dirty fuckers) is the brown ballerina.

Burglars when disturbed "in the act" often have that problem, must be a scouse thing.

Keegan's first stint or second ?? There's just a tad of a difference between the two.

That's the sad (criminal) thing about it, he should have had one first IMO

Aye, but Harvey was synonymous with the team for years, he's the only one who should have a statue IMO (which is what I meant above, he should have had one ahead of SBR and Milburn even)