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In a world of crap posts from Stevie, this tops the lot. Unbelieveable. I worked up there "North of Stirling" for 7 years (until 18 months ago), have taken holidays/short breaks up there since I was a kid. The North of Scotland/Highland folk are as friendly as any you'd meet anywhere, they're akin to Northumbrians in their characteristics and welcome. That said if your "real life" persona is anything like the "real" Stevie (god forbid) I would suspect you'd receive a less than friendly welcome from even your mother. But hey the resident gobshite is right

No U turn at all, if you don't know it's cheating "at the time" of course you celebrate, if you (well if I) found out later it had been through cheating/illegal means, I'd be gutted and feel not a little betrayed. As for the rest, I don't comment on all your crap anymore, there's no point, you never read it or respond in anything approaching sense.

Just a some info to clarify that bit for you PL. The big tax case is “proven” HMRC have levied the bill (and penalties) the case is Old Rangers appeal against the amount of the bill, the debt is on their books (and was in the CVA paperwork). That said, even if the tribunal finds the bill should be zero (expunged) the football issue remains. An EBT is legal as it’s a loan – which has an expectation of being repaid (at some indeterminate point in the future). Some (it appears most) of the beneficiaries of EBT’s had side letters which stated the EBT would never have to be paid back. The football rules state that all payments to players must be disclosed and lodged with the authority. Rangers accounts submitted to the authorities would have showed payments to an offshore trust, likely as a bulk amount, (the trust is what paid the EBT’s) and player contracts at say £10k a week. The players however had a side letter from the club that basically said you don’t need to pay that back because that tops up your wage to £15K a week. Taxman says that additional £5K is taxable (hence Big Tax Case) in football terms irrespective of whether it’s found to be taxable or not, it’s a side contract and an undisclosed/illegal payment to a player.

No change of heart at all, I abhor cheating/corruption etc. If we won something by cheating (at the time I'd be euphoric if the cheating was unknown) but when it came to light, I'd be gutted. Winning by "any means" is not winning. I suppose you think Ben Johnson is still a gold medal olympian. I would suggest the Rangers fans who celebrated wildly are reflecting on that glorious feeling right now and not in the least bit concerned about the present.

Depends on the double contract findings = lots of formal stripping of trophy's possible and also Old Rangers 1872 are legally dead when liquidated. Rangers 2012 starts again and fans of other clubs won't let them forget it. The fans are constant the club is dead. OF course you can argue the fans are the club (which is probably true) but the affiliated sporting entity has nowt (unless they can transfer the SFA association, but that will also attract the pebalties for the cheating and not paying tax stuff). If it was Sunlund or Liverpool say, I'm sure we'd all quite happily not mention they were a "new" club incessantly.

Scamorama New owner has allegedly (per Alex Thomson source) divested the club Sevco of Ibrox and is flogging it for several million (green bought Ibrox for only £500k in the administrators sale deal - again according to thomo) the cost to any new club in rent will be £3mill a year !!!! If thomsons right - you couldn't make this shit up, I think is the phrase

They can't have it both ways, they expected to transfer players old club to wel them and pocket the transfer fees, even on some players the old club owe money on ( they owe Hearts £800k for one and still owe Rapid Vienna £1.2 mill for Jelavic, and they hope to still get the £4.4 mill everton still owe in to newco - they are outraged some players have exercised their right to walk, thus denying them said fees) it's unreal tbh

If they transfer the old Rangers SFA share the football penalties will likely follow. Expect at least 10 years of trophies to be expunged if that happens. Not something any fan should go through, although LM portrays it as nowt because at least they tried/ had "success" at the time via whatever means. Not OK in my world for what it's worth.

You've harped on like I'd made it up, but you see, I didn't, it was concerns raised on Celtic boards/forums that it could happen that I mentioned. I happened upon a link where the topic was being discussed, according to you by someone like you on a forum, you know, to try and educate you. Maybe this will help: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17501490 An SPL Chairmans words in March. "If 10 clubs meeting together to discuss common interests is disrespectful, I would have thought that constantly talking about moving to England or some place in the North Atlantic is even more disrespectful." "Johnston also rejected the suggestion that the 10 clubs want to revert back to sharing home gates, pointing out that "five or six" of those clubs would also be against such a move". Revert back means happened before. Celtic fans are concerned that now Rangers are dead (in power terms if not yet for real) that it could be raised again. It is NOT an alien concept. Even if you look at his comments, 5 or 6 would not go with it (at that time), voting any change currently will need an 11-1 majority (thats why the OF always voted together on everything). Nailed on they'll definitely change the voting system, if by some chance that dropped to a new simple majority rule, only a couple of those 5 or 6 would have to change their minds and it would be reality. But you're right, it is impossible Mr knowall-knownowt, so Celtic folks worried about it are delusional Why I even try and reason with you is beyond me.

BTW MugFool: http://www.eastfootball.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=38243

I'm not sure they will have myself Only needs 8 out of 30 to blow them out completely. (Raith and Falkirk already not so certain) and football fans have long memories: In 1964 Rangers tried to extinguish Berwick, Stranraer, Ayr, Stenhousmuir and one other in a league reorganisation. Also: Chris McLaughlin ‏@BBCchrismclaug SFA tell newco Rangers to get their application for SFA membership in by Friday. Chris McLaughlin ‏@BBCchrismclaug The SFA application must include fit and proper details from administrators re Charles Green and consortium Newco currently have NO football accreditation, they need SFA membership AND a positive vote from SFL members.

Take it up with the Celtic blogs/forums that raised the spectre of it. Just because it's never happened in football doesn't mean it can't. I agree Celtic wouldn't voluntarily give up that revenue but if there was a vote of league members that approved it, they'd have no choice, and that is what they are concerned about, the loss of their power or size advantage. It's not a fairy tale, it happens in at least one other sport (big as the EPL in money terms), in football, (which lets face it is a backwater when it comes to change/innovation) players couldn't leave for free at the end of their contracts not so long ago. If a league voted for it, what's to stop it. Where could Celtic (for example) go ??

Go onto Kickback and in the Liquidation thread (700-ish pages long) there's some links to Celtic blogs/forums where the "light has started to go on" that as the duopoly dies their potential monopoly is severely threatened and it is one of the concerns they raise, as evidently it has been mooted. Not digging it up for you. Anyway, what's so outlandish about it, revenue sharing is hardly a new concept. (although you being Mr Parochial-squared, I doubt you'd realise) It works for a £6.5 Billion turnover per year sporting organisation elsewhere. All revenue's go into a single pot (attendance, merchandise, TV the lot) and is then equally shared, owners/the league get the surplus, every team starts every year with an equal chance. Can't be a bad thing surely??

The SPL (to anyone outside the OF) is pointless with Rangers, only one from 2 could win it. There’s little difference tbh. Second place for those 2/3/4 years is opened up (which brings Europe), The 11-1 voting disappears, so money is distributed more fairly or equally. There will be a big restructure of the leagues because the SPL has been set up purely to feed the OF and maintain their dominance. The other clubs now have their chance to change that. Celtic will remain, for some time, the “biggest” fish but they will have to cut their cloth, thus the gap will close over time (especially if ALL gate receipts are shared equally, which includes home and away – the whole league gets a fair share of everything via revenue sharing – top to bottom, that levels the playing field, it no doubt screws Celtic, but everyone else gains and it becomes a real competition for the first time since the 80’s). It’s a long road, fans up there know that, but it’s a once in a lifetime chance. The league is crap, no-one (least of all the fans up there) dispute that, all they want is the chance to compete.

There's going to be big changes up there, Celtic will lose the OF power of veto, talk of equal shares of TV cash and even gate receipts to create a balanced league from top to bottom on a totally level playing field.

And the silence fromCeltic remains deafening, they'll lose more than most. They would've voted YES I reckon, the yes we want Rangers fucked, but the other clubs will screw us over without our ugly sister to vote with us, noises had already begun.

He won't, he calls stuff shite, then runs away when he realises he was wrong with the old "I'll reply tomorrow/later" post.

It could have been, in the Charlton/Milburn days it was all they had. Pro's got there through natural ability (and being lucky enough to be spotted). Training/coaching was run about do some star jumps then hop on the bus home for a tab and a beer in the pub. Other countries have moved on from natural ability being the end product, it's an edge to be honed and polished by proper coaching from a very young age. MugFool mentions Messi, Xavi and Iniesta, they joined Barca at 11,11 and12 respectively, I bet they weren't chucked into the back lane to play with tennis balls until 7 years later they miraculously hatched into REAL world class players. They were coached the right way and I doubt they were ever shouted at to hoof it. We're in the dark ages compared to elsewhere and the rewards for average players are ridiculous.

Watch some games, the average English footballer is technically lightyears behind his foreign counterpart. It really is that simple, and if you read Parky's number of coaches stat (here/Germany) it's not surprising.

This whole immigration thing is bollocks. It about the infrastructure at junior level. Asians tend to be of slight build, as PL said earlier they can't compete with hoofing it up to No9. Messi wouldn't have got a look in over here. Technically, home-grown players are crap compared to their foreign counterparts. As I said earlier watch any average German/Italian/Spanish game and compare the ability to control a ball immediately of Johnny foreigner to the blood and thunder Brits, Gerrard (one of the supposedly better players) regularly traps the ball 5 foot.

From Elsewhere: The English league is "the best in the world" not because of Englishmen IMO, the "British" player is not anywhere near as good as Johny foreigner and hasn't been (with the odd singular exception) for decades. Watch any run of the mill game from just about any other major league and the difference in technical ability of the average player is HUGE compared to the Brit players in our top league. I seriously don't know how you fix that.

Deaders, can you help ?? What's this mean:

All the agents and players fault, nowt to do with the "predicament" but but bit we're Rangers http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=223753&st=60

Well despite the protestations of the owner of Sevco 5088, who reckons they all TUPE'd accross, that they can't walk. Unfortunately in the case of a liquidation, TUPE is voluntary and can be opted out, so the players could indeed quite legally walk. On the other hand if they haven't walked, under TUPE their existing contracts have to be honoured, those same contracts that the old company could only pay by witholding tax/NI and VAT,Sevco 5088 has (at Friday) no bank acount and no income as well as no football accreditation (that's still with the terminally ill Rangers 1872) so can't register players. Payday is next Tuesday Interesting times. And then of course, there's the Judge: http://www.bbc.co.uk...w-west-18549293 If he aint happy with the report that he's requested he could freeze/rewind the assett sale etc. A taster: Dodgy Craig Whyte's "hand picked" Adminstrators statement: "Since the BBC documentary we have met Mr Roger Isaacs who appeared on the programme and was asked for his professional opinion as a forensic accountant. "Mr Isaacs informed us that he was not shown relevant documentation by the BBC and now, having reviewed the documentation, has told us that he is satisfied that our firm did not have knowledge of Ticketus funding being used to acquire Rangers in 2011, prior to the transaction being completed." Mr Roger Isaacs (Forensic Accountant) reply: "At the meeting you made various representations and offered to send me further documents to support them. "I have now had a chance to consider these and you should please be aware that I have not been persuaded that Duff and Phelps had no knowledge of the Ticketus deal to fund the purchase of the bank debt." Mr Isaacs adds: "My view remains, on the basis of the information I have, that Duff and Phelps appear not to have been able to fulfil the necessary requirements of independence to allow them to act as administrators" Someone's telling porkies !!!! The good old administrators who sold £100Million of assetts for £5.5 Mill (the amount of their fees) or the independent accountant blokey, hmmmm I wonder who !!!!!

and all the shite foreign imports will disappear, and young home grown players of any glimmer of ability won't get hoovered up, as a matter of course,by the OF and may actually develop into proper players by playing competitive football.