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I clip the posts because it's the same tripe you spout all the time. You won't answer a question though will you, like the really straightforward one NJS asked Lot's of bluster nee substance P.S. I'm going to check up your precious "rich list" (when I have time) and see where we were at our height and then at the point the "wonderfull" regime sold up, I think it's something like 20th down from 14th. But hey, in Leazes world that's not a decline

For £35mill I'd have sold him to Tranmere never mind Liverpool. Your man Mike will be very happy that you accept him pocketing that sort of cash while watching the club head downwards. You can answer the rest of my posts, you don't have to cherry pick and clip them. I hope you have this thread bookmarked like the Enrique one, although after 4 years it's amazing you still can't see the obvious. I clip the superfluous to save room. He hasn't pocketed diddly squat yet, quite the opposite.

For £35mill I'd have sold him to Tranmere never mind Liverpool.

OK I will you're cherry picking. Fraid, not, you cherry pick by sticking with the biggest and best cherry we ever had and talk about it like it was still ripe yesterday, sadly it’s started to go rotten long ago. Other than that, you are just spouting the same old bollocks, and that is what it is, bollocks. If you seriously think we have no chance of matching the likes of Spurs and Liverpool, you are proving your knowledge of this football club is abysmal but I've already shown your memory to be exactly that. You’re changing tack from “do I think they are bigger” to ”do you think we can match them”. Do I think we can match Liverpool and/or Spurs, yes I do, history has shown that we can. Sadly we got up there and then dropped behind and AT THIS MOMENT (and for some time for that matter) we cannot compete with them. That’s not saying we can’t again in the future BUT I accept there is no quick fix without a richer and more philanthropic owner, not likely to happen sadly. We can say what Mike Ashley's ambition is for the football club, I've been saying it for about 3 and a half years now, all you have to do is open your eyes, but that isn't a strong point of yours and other people too No we can’t, yet, we can all say what we “think” it might be, but we don’t definitively know yet. This summer will be a big tester for that though because the Club has money, where it goes will be interesting. It's a shame you look back on the Halls and Shepherd the way you do, because even the 7th top spot gained only a year before they sold the club may not be repeated in your lifetime. But, as you think we aren't capable of challenging the likes of Spurs and Liverpool - by fuck Ashley has succeeded in lowering your expectations hasn't he- then you are obviously going to be happy with a mediocre football team at best or being a yoyo club like we were under the Seymour and McKeag eras, and ironically the mackems under Bob Murray when all the posters on skunkers enjoyed every minute of us being miles superior to them. I look upon the Hall/Shep reign as “nice try, but no banana”, my expectation is not lowered, but I am realistic enough to realize that a different approach to the one that we tried (and failed at) is needed, as said previously, the old way is dead.

Tidied Unfortunately the vehicle that they "knew what it took to do it" with, i.e. credit, was over used and has since dried up. You're confusing Champions League NUFC with non CL NUFC, and we haven't been in that "club" (or close to it) for a long time, you also fail to appreciate that the games dynamics have changed, there is no multi-million loans to be had and we don't have a Sheik and we're not in the self fullfilling prophecy that is the CL and it's riches. It's not a question of acceptance, it's a question of realism. We have to find another way, the old road to the top was closed whilst we were still trying to drive along it. Wake up and smell the coffee man !!!! He wants us to appoint a quality manager and throw cash at him, despite laughing at Villa in another thread for doing the same and not getting into the CL. Yeah I know. In fairness though I'd love us to appoint a quality manager and throw serious dosh at him, but the possibility of doing that is nil, without a Sheik.

Tidied Unfortunately the vehicle that they "knew what it took to do it" with, i.e. credit, was over used and has since dried up. You're confusing Champions League NUFC with non CL NUFC, and we haven't been in that "club" (or close to it) for a long time, you also fail to appreciate that the games dynamics have changed, there is no multi-million loans to be had and we don't have a Sheik and we're not in the self fullfilling prophecy that is the CL and it's riches. It's not a question of acceptance, it's a question of realism. We have to find another way, the old road to the top was closed whilst we were still trying to drive along it. Wake up and smell the coffee man !!!!

Your opinion is wrong then. That said both of the above are facts and I don't alternate between the two, fairly consistent on both matters. Would add to your second Halls/Shep bit "whilst owning the club and when they sold it". I don't criticise KK for not winning anything, what he did was amazing and hugely raised the profile of the club the sad thing is we didn't capitalise on the foundation he left. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good, we were awfully good. They key breaking point IMO was SBR not taking the job, when KK left, because of his principles when at Barca, (remember he left because of financial issues with the flotation, sort of driven out by the owners wish to make a killing, if you will) and the latter drop from the CL. My issue with Halls/Shepherd are around the way they continued to "chase the dream" when it hadn't worked at the most opportune time, like gamblers chasing the last big loss. The borrowing was maxed out, the opportunity for more money to throw at it was gone and when they left we desperately needed more money just to stand still. There's also the issue that despite losses mounting up at the club, dividends were still huge. Despite the "great" years we had peaked and were heading downwards under the previos stewardship, that is indisputable. The chance to repeat "the magic" just did not exist, we already had one loan at over 11%. That said Ashley is a grade A prick, but he's made gazillions and he had the deep pockets to keep the club afloat, I know you deny we were in trouble, but I totally disagree with that premise, because try as I might, I can't see where circa £100mill was going to come from in the financial climate as it was/is. I'm sorry but I really really can't. Moving forward, without a Shiek or an Oligarch we cannot compete with the Champs League teams at this time, that is a sad fact. Regarding Ashley, I would be surprised if all he's after is a £2mill/year profit as that'll take 100+ years to pay back what he's already put in. Lets face it, he's fucking good (albeit in a maverick way) at what he does in the business world and all we can hope is that savvy or luck rubs off in his ownership of NUFC. I accept he's made some HUGE fuck ups, but financially we are approaching being sound (which is progress like it or not) the summer will be a defining moment in what his intentions are in terms of "ambition". Ashleys history with NUFC isn't written yet, Halls/Shep's is and whilst it had it's high points it also latterly had significant lows. Hitler looked like king of the world in 1940, he wasn't looking so good in 1945.

Of course you haven't read it, I know how well the Halls/Shepherd did - to a point, but then it went tits up, they left the club much in the state they inherited it financially, albeit with a higher profile. I'm not happy to compete at the level you mention, but I do realise that throwing money at it is futile a) because there's no money to be had in the Hall/Shep way, and b ) even if you could borrow as we did previously, you can't borrow enough to compete with Oligarchs or Sheiks. As said Ashley is a cunt, but at least he deserves some credit for putting circa 25% of his own fortune into the ship, and YES I know he'll want it back, but where'd we have been without it eh ??? That is the important point. And don't fucking spout your "rich list" shite, we'd gone from 14th to 20th under your boyfriends stewardship, that's called a downward trend.

He's got his head up Ashleys arse, like me exactly You see, you're wrong again, I think Ashley is a cunt, BUT am happy to consider wider comment/arguments, especially when put forward by persons with no axe to grind. If you'd read the excellent Swissramble blog, you'd see it is as equally scathing of Ashley as it is of your idols. Where I differ, is that Ashley is in for circa £200mill yet your idols made a not quite as much as that "profit" from their dealings with the club and significantly more even than McKeag etc (a regime which won something) but that doesn't matter to you. Blinkered idiot.

You are wrong man, how many people on how many forums have to tell you that ? Read the Swissramble for the harsh truth you arse

So you keep saying, I didn't btw Not going there (again) on the diatribe, hence the deletion to save space. As for the last bit, you continue to suprise me

We've already proven my memory is flawed in some detailed respects like who farted on the pitch in 1974. But I do fully understand attempting to be succesful, but I am also realistic and understand that we cannot compete with Liverpool at this minute in time. I would add that without continued success they won't be able to compete at the level they are now (in terms of attraction to players/sponsors etc) for much longer. We don't have an Oligarch or a Sheik so we have to hope that Platini's rules will help financially sound clubs, which we should be. Do I like it, not particularly, but it's the way it is and the cash just isn't around to spend multi tens of millions on a player or two, were still in a hundred or so million deep hole but at least we aren't paying interest on it. I'm happy we took their eyes out for Carroll, IF we reinvest it, that only time will tell.

Sunlun get better and better. Quinny talk in last night, the Chief Exec makes some Munich air disaster joke and Quinny's off to London to lobby for tax breaks for footballers/football so they can reduce ticket prices. Unbelievable !!!

Wildly inaccurate, the gun, not your post. You can however treat it like shit and it will still fire, which is why they are all over the shop. It's a fucking assault rifle man, it's designed for maximum firepower, not accuracy. A degree of accuracy is always handy. Which is what a sniper rifle is for You're confusing, degree of accuracy with total accuracy.

Their actions together with being as succesful as fuck, one begat the other - the success being the main driver. The "lucky" bit was Shankly and following him with Paisley, they capitalised, we didn't - on our near-Shankly moment (KK). One of those things. The success attracted the better players which bred even more success and then the money came along and success = mega dosh, which is now the modern players be all and end all, if they don't qualify for Champs league for a few years they'll sharp decline like we did. Albeit from a higher point (in terms of success/stature in the game). I know where song comes from Song wasn't Liverpools sole possesion though, by a long shot. Aye Ok Tommy Smith was a saint, some of the players weren't "dirty", Callaghan in particular, but they were ALL dirty teams back then, but some more than others, in my opinion of course, sadly don't have cuttings to back it up.

The whole ground and the Leazes End (in particular) used to do that before YNWA was thieved (typical) to become the "red-scouse anthem". They didn't invent it, although you'd think they did They were also the dirtiest bunch of cunts ever to play, worse than vintage Leeds IMO and Shock Horror, I agree with LM on something: "And all of that list, what also fucks me off is that they blame everybody but themselves for the Heysel and also Hillsborough. Tragedies both of them, but they were certainly not blameless". I would add to Leazes' quote the words "and yet, still they are the media darlings". Hated the bastards since I was a kid and that was LONG before they killed anyone.

Wildly inaccurate, the gun, not your post. You can however treat it like shit and it will still fire, which is why they are all over the shop. It's a fucking assault rifle man, it's designed for maximum firepower, not accuracy. A degree of accuracy is always handy.

Wildly inaccurate, the gun, not your post. You can however treat it like shit and it will still fire, which is why they are all over the shop.

Hmmm, from TF

Hate the dippers and he's an odious women bashing, cowardly glassing piece of shit. Hope he crashes and burns spectacularly.

Lots of wasted talent over the years. I remember when Aidan McCaffery was playing for Newcastle, his brother Bede (I think) who was 20 times the footballer Aidan was, played for Whitley Bay, could have been a very very good player, but just wanted to turn up when he could be arsed and play a few games. P.S. Year Zero, "wi du Hood", he'll never make it with the real homies if he says "with the"

Me too, although in a lock up not me loft and a 70's juke box that goes with them, should flog it really !!

So you keep saying, maybe it'll be true one day if you say it often enough. On reflection the regime before the Halls and Shepherd was our best one, we actually won something major.

Björn Vleminckx Make a song out of that one ye bugga !!

He'd rather be a Gangsta than a footballer, complete arsehole by all accounts.