Super_Steve_Howey

I don't think Owen is on the best of terms with Houllier

I don't get this 'critical period' stuff. If there is a time to gamble, then when if not now? It was a rather big gamble to appoint Keegan when the club was really on the brink of collapsing. Now we have already lost ground to the top teams and are stuck in mediocrity, but the likes of Spurs, Villa etc aren't miles away and this season demonstrated that you can appoint the worst manager and have bad luck with injuries and still won't get relegated as there is always a bunch of teams who are even worse. So the worst scenario with gambling is rather to get stuck where you are and not move forward at all. On the other hand a inspirational appointment - as it was Keegan back then - could have a catapulting effect. The structure might be rotten, but the environment of the club is good or at least far better than of most other teams in the Premierleague - it just needs someone to be able to fulfil it. Therefore I'd had gambled on someone like Klinsmann who I think has the potential to be a great manager at the right club sharing his ambition. I see it as a missed opportunity. here here

And perceptions, values, mentality. Numerous things need changing within the club, they arent always things you can see or measure. This club has been going downhill for years, we've tried the big name signings, sexy football managers, big name managers and last ditch "naebody else wants it and hes on the cheap" managers and none of it has worked. Its time for a change of tack and new direction, its time to build things slowly and carefully and (unfortunately) its time to know our place in the football world and that place is upper mid-table nothing more. We may believe we can compete with ManUre, Chelski, Inter etc but we cant and never will, at least not without a total change and take over from another big money investor (something which is franly unlikely in the near future). Until then we need to know our place and that place is with a manager of the calibre of Allardyce. Theres nothing to attract the massive names, we dont have 500million to spend to win the League Cup or anything to offer the Wengers of this world. That is just too depressing for words.

Well you really have fallen in love with Fat Sam, that's without doubt. I honestly am dumbfounded that you think he is the only man in the world capable of doing anything right in the world of football management. Not that I'm even sure what he is actually going to do, because when you strip out all the flowery missives about restructuring and rebuilding, what is he actually going to do that any other new manager wouldn't do anyway? Most of the initiatives and regimes that I've heard that Sam espouses don't take 5 years of mediocre football to achieve, they can be done in a few months. What takes TIME is rebuilding a TEAM. Half of this amazing setup that you keep fawning on about is actually just having the right personel, and will be out the door when he leaves, which he will. I think what you really mean in your ramblings about structures but haven't figured out yet is a Director of Football and the overarching direction irrespective of who is manager that it brings, which Sam will definitely not be in Fat Fred's world. Even the great Arsene Wenger can't do both jobs. The only thing that needs changing in this club is personel, we have all the facilities a top club could want for.

Kick her in the fanny

jinx!

I guess it saved him from seeing how shit his son was.

How do you get 25 Africans in a shoe box? Tell em it floats!

There was actually,him and Keegan as a double act Quality. Fucknuts the lot of em Weren't you praising the mackems for having the courage to employ Keane? What's the difference? Shearer doesn't want a job Shearer cannot be employed Keegan is so far from football right now its unreal off the top of me head like....

Cheese on toast. Literally

That's fucking hilarious in German like

He once played in the Premiership, which is a whole lot different to managing in the Premiership. Lets give Vinnie Jones a call, after all, he has no club management experience, but being a big shot movie star now, he has the profile... utter bollocks. Profile for what? Why does a manager need a profile to manage Newcastle? In management, Klinsman hasn't acheived anything compared to Big Sam. What the two achieved in their careers as footballers means fuck all in relation to management. I dismiss that as an irrelevance. The fact you dismiss managerial achievements though says a lot, it is no wonder you want the club to appoint anyone when you dismis such important stuff as meaning nothing. Lets give it to Zippy, he'll keep the mongs entertained and in Bungle, George and Jeffry, that could be some backroom team there. Agreed, but you can't influence Freddy Shepherd to go foreign when he is so stuck on British/Geordie is best first. Never gonna change, it is even pointless discussing foreign managers while he's in control of the club. Why not? Lets see now, well our finances mean money could well be tight so we need someone who can work on a limited budget, someone who knows the markets if you like. Klinsman hasn't bought or sold a player yet, but hey, what the fuck, he has a big profile. You can't be serious... This is a critical period in the club's history, we can't afford to gamble. Don't get me wrong, I'm not adverse to thinking outside the box, but there is a time and a place to do that and looking at all the issues and concerns at United right now, this just isn't the time or place to be so brave because there is a hell of a lot to lose, more ground on the top 6 for one, bums on seats, our finances are a mess, clubs like Bolton and Reading are finishing above us, Spurs, Villa and even the mackems are looking good for the future. To go out and appoint a manager with no club experience, never mind Premiership experience (management) and ask that man to overhaul every single area of the club, deliver top 6 football and good cup runs, entertain the fans, buy and sell well and maybe, just maybe, win a trophy, is bordering on madness because there is nothing concrete to suggest he could, just hope and some daft stuff about profile or whatever. At least with Big Sam you know he can overhaul every aspect of a club and can consistently deliver high league finishes which he has done for Bolton pretty much since their first season back in the Premiership. 8, 6, 8 and another top 8 finish this season most likely. All this on a transfer budget of zero and at a small club like Bolton who can't even fill their stadium. You can't blame the club for wondering now what could he do here at Newcastle can you and you can't really not see logic behind this move, if indeed he does join us. For once this would be a common sense appointment based on sound logic and good reason, an appointment not to appease fans with sexy football, or to rid the club of ill discipline, but to cover all the areas in which the club needs to sort out and recover in, while being able enough to finish in the top 6 and manage on what will be a reduced budget due to the financial mess we are in. You go ahead and appoint Klinsman and after a year of Gullit like football, don't fucking whinge because he wasn't what you hoped. It isn't about that now, it's about what WE NEED. The club, not us. I want great football, and all that crap, but what the club needs is far more important - a complete overhaul and there is only one man available who has shown he can do that. Aye, he's no Klinsman like I'm holding you to every single word in that post a year from now, seeing as you seem to think it's such a shoe-in. The man you paint is a positive footballing Superman, with infinite abilities. He has managed Bolton, so what? If you're so desperate for a proven manager at the highest level why not approach Strachan, or anyone who has done something even close to managing a club the size of NUFC. Bolton is a small town club where Fat Sam was king of the castle. At NUFC there are hundreds of cooks to spoil the broth, and in a few months time, his achievements will mean jack shit. Christ had you been in charge we would never have ended up with Keegan, lest you forget the circumstances of his appointment. Your post positively oozes mediocrity and lack of ambition. You even cite the MACKEMS *spit* as an example, forgetting they took a gamble and appointed an untried manager, when arguably if it had gone wrong they would have disappeared forever. For every experienced manager you name I can name one that has completely fucked up a different job after years of sterling service at a different club. There is NOTHING to risk from trying something for a year and it not working and parting ways, every bastard year we piss money up the wall so what's the point in pretending it's not going to happen with Fat Sam. You honestly value a dead cert top 8 finish that much? Or do you think he's going to resurrect the expensive talent we have collected? You think Fat Sam could attract Klose to the team? Or Ballack maybe? Well maybe in a few years time. As for achievements, Klinsman has already managed a team in the World Cup, something the man you have just written a page and half about would gladly drop the NUFC job light a lead weight for.

I agree and I'd rather we looked around first instead of jumping head first into the most obvious choice but that's never going to happen here at Newcastle so I see little point in complaining about it myself. But some of the comments flying around that are questioning the value of appointing SA seem a tad shallow to me and ignorant, i.e. because they just don't like the man, or worse, because he's not Arsene Wenger. He's no Ottmar He's no Glenn Roeder. He's no Sam Allardyce. Not on his passport anyway and that is relevant because ? His real name is Clifford Alvarez. He is wanted by the Peruvian FA for a dodgy transfer involving a national team right back to a Premiership team.

So we're ignoring the whole, 3 separate agents claimed Allardyce likes a bung, thing? 17 transfers are still being investigated as a direct result of these claims. The irony, I wouldn't trust an agent as far as I could throw them, nor would I trust the BBC or any TV show having experienced at first hand the stunts they pull. 3 agents out of hundreds... Notice you avoided the "now why would Big Sam risk his whole career, just to make a bit extra on the side, especially given that he is already a very rich man"? question... Are we talking about irony here?

I agree and I'd rather we looked around first instead of jumping head first into the most obvious choice but that's never going to happen here at Newcastle so I see little point in complaining about it myself. But some of the comments flying around that are questioning the value of appointing SA seem a tad shallow to me and ignorant, i.e. because they just don't like the man, or worse, because he's not Arsene Wenger. He's no Ottmar He's no Glenn Roeder. He's no Sam Allardyce. Not on his passport anyway

I agree and I'd rather we looked around first instead of jumping head first into the most obvious choice but that's never going to happen here at Newcastle so I see little point in complaining about it myself. But some of the comments flying around that are questioning the value of appointing SA seem a tad shallow to me and ignorant, i.e. because they just don't like the man, or worse, because he's not Arsene Wenger. He's no Ottmar

Thats a bit harsh like He's been stalking her man.

How to look good naked. C4 now

So we're ignoring the whole, 3 separate agents claimed Allardyce likes a bung, thing? 17 transfers are still being investigated as a direct result of these claims.

Toplass?

I like Klinsman and think he's a good manager but I don't know why anyone would rather have a manager who has zero management experience at club level over someone who has bags of it. Anyway to answer your questions: He's not a feasible alternative because he's a foreigner and because NUFC simply can't afford to give someone with no club management experience the job. If we did appoint him and he did a Gullit here, I bet you'd be the first to whinge for the club appointing someone who has never managed a club before. BTW Big Sam has acheived a hell of a lot more than Klinsman has as manager. A hell of a lot more. Lastly, what on earth makes you think Klinsman would even give us the time of day never mind say aye to a job offer? Or any other manager come to think of it? Not exactly knocking at the door are they. I don't know why I'm bothering mind, this is the same kid who wouldn't have Mourinho here because he's a bit of a twat. If you read my original post, I never said he would come. The point being he is of a profile and an experience and a familiarity of the Premiership/NUFC to warrant ASKING. Furthermore, to mitigate the risk of doing a Gullit, I suggested a 1 year trial contract, which I believe is possibly agreeable to both sides. Achievement? There is quite rightly nothing to compare between the two. In one measure, Fat Sam has achieved nothing compared to Klinsman, for another measure it is the reverse. I dismiss this as an irrelevance. Not risking a foreigner? That viewpoint quit rightly gets laughed off most places that I see it, and is as bad as Fat Fred's Geordie nation shite. As for not risking a manager without experience, why not? Christ, it's not like we are risking not getting a CL place if we don't go for Fat Sam is it? Whereas if we actually appointed a high profile manager who knows where we might get to? Your mentality just strikes me as .... safe. Keegan said it well, some people at this club don't know how to win. As for Mourinho, I'm pretty sure we covered that chestnut, so don't even try and bring it up in support of your frankly weak case.

No, it would only encourage you. So you're backtracking on the whole 'you don't know' issue? What do you know then ? What are you on about? Good answer. No. That was a question. No, I think you'll find you responded to my question with a further question, as usual. Whereas you answered my question though... So getting back to it, you are not willing to admit that you don't know that Allardyce's past actions will incur punishments on NUFC ? And you can answer the original question and show me where I said I did know So you don't know ? No I don't know why you think I said I did when I didn't So you still aren't willing to admit that you don't know. I'm still waiting to be told where I said I did know So you still won't admit it then ? The question is irrelevant

No, it would only encourage you. So you're backtracking on the whole 'you don't know' issue? What do you know then ? What are you on about? Good answer. No. That was a question. No, I think you'll find you responded to my question with a further question, as usual. Whereas you answered my question though... So getting back to it, you are not willing to admit that you don't know that Allardyce's past actions will incur punishments on NUFC ? And you can answer the original question and show me where I said I did know So you don't know ? No I don't know why you think I said I did when I didn't So you still aren't willing to admit that you don't know. I'm still waiting to be told where I said I did know

All but the bottom two are worth asking. Too many managers are just being dismissed without even being asked. How do you know? I know we had this a year ago but how do you know that fat boy hasnt been to them and they've laughed at him? Do you honeslty think that's happened? Especially given the secrecy surrounding the latest farce at the club. One of the Fat Boy Three would have been shouting their mouth off about it

No, it would only encourage you. So you're backtracking on the whole 'you don't know' issue? What do you know then ? What are you on about? Good answer. No. That was a question. No, I think you'll find you responded to my question with a further question, as usual. Whereas you answered my question though... So getting back to it, you are not willing to admit that you don't know that Allardyce's past actions will incur punishments on NUFC ? And you can answer the original question and show me where I said I did know So you don't know ? No I don't know why you think I said I did when I didn't