Super_Steve_Howey

Oh look everyone, it's an elephant!

Mr Elephant meet Mr Room

He'll be staying because Fat Sam has the magical ability to get underperforming stars to up their game We will actually sell N'Zogbia to the mackems and he'll be the one who rapes us in the derby

One day a rain will come

Irony of Ironies being we could not even appoint Shearer if we wanted to due to the ham fisted Fat One's forays into diplomacy

Is Fat Sam still suing Shearer's employer? Is Fat Sam still boycotting the BBC? Is Fat Sam involved in any of the 17 outstanding deals from the Stevens report? Will Phil Gartside sue Fat Sam? Will Phil Gartside sue NUFC? Kevin Bond!

Presumably you've got a chapter on the Battle of Shields Ferry?

If you're tired of it then just accept it as its pretty obvious its the case. Anybody who watched the team week in and week out could see all that was wrong with the team and the things that needed sorting. Roeder failed to, plenty of other managers and their teams (including but not exclusive to Allardyce) could and would have done. I'm more than open to people having the opinion that there is better than Big Sam out there, i agree. I'm even willing to listen to people's reasons why they don't want him at all, that's their choice. But anyone who thinks he wouldn't have done better than Roeder is dillusional IMO, there are plenty of managers who would have. It's complete guesswork. A totally different set of players, different club, different expectations and pressures and different distractions. No way can you just slot another manager in and say, yup, would have done better. You can't even get the fans to agree what midfield pairing to play. Its all opinion, something you seem to clearly confuse with fact. What's your point? I didn't say Allardyce wouldn't have done better did I? If you want to be pedantic, it's my OPINION that the statement 'Allardyce would have done better' [with this squad this year] is an incorrect assertion based on the variables . No-one can say either way what would have happened, therefore any judgement on the merits of sacking Roeder for Allardyce on this basis is flawed.

If you're tired of it then just accept it as its pretty obvious its the case. Anybody who watched the team week in and week out could see all that was wrong with the team and the things that needed sorting. Roeder failed to, plenty of other managers and their teams (including but not exclusive to Allardyce) could and would have done. I'm more than open to people having the opinion that there is better than Big Sam out there, i agree. I'm even willing to listen to people's reasons why they don't want him at all, that's their choice. But anyone who thinks he wouldn't have done better than Roeder is dillusional IMO, there are plenty of managers who would have. It's complete guesswork. A totally different set of players, different club, different expectations and pressures and different distractions. No way can you just slot another manager in and say, yup, would have done better. You can't even get the fans to agree what midfield pairing to play. Its very much educated guesswork, if its anything. Based on my knowledge of all that is wrong with Roeder, his backroom team and what is happening on the pitch and knowledge of the things Allardyce would bring with him, comparing the previous track record of the two managers, i can make a good estimate that Allardyce and his team would have done better. I've never said he would have won the title and taken us into the CL, merely he would have done better than Roeder and i would have bet my life on it. As for midfield i can get practically every fan who watches us to agree on not playign Butt and PArker together, which is all i said, i never mentioned the best pairing. It wasn't the 'you' meaning of 'you' but the other meaning of 'you'

If you're tired of it then just accept it as its pretty obvious its the case. Anybody who watched the team week in and week out could see all that was wrong with the team and the things that needed sorting. Roeder failed to, plenty of other managers and their teams (including but not exclusive to Allardyce) could and would have done. I'm more than open to people having the opinion that there is better than Big Sam out there, i agree. I'm even willing to listen to people's reasons why they don't want him at all, that's their choice. But anyone who thinks he wouldn't have done better than Roeder is dillusional IMO, there are plenty of managers who would have. It's complete guesswork. A totally different set of players, different club, different expectations and pressures and different distractions. No way can you just slot another manager in and say, yup, would have done better. You can't even get the fans to agree what midfield pairing to play.

'Violence by Lynch' would have been a better title

They were searching sea caves a minute ago. I mean wtf is that?

Almost as tiresome as picking up on one tiny aspect of what someone has posted and completely ignoring the point they were actually making, you mean? That was the essence of the post. I am criticising his essence.

You said it 3 days ago! Did I?

'Allardyce would have done better' I'm getting a bit tired of this, it's complete supposition. Fat Sam has never had to motivate these players and has never had to turn a caretaker season into a top 6 finish in front of 52,000 fans.

Leaving Bolton for a 'break' and then walking into another job is suspect, but then again everything about Fat Sam is suspect Gratifying to know Fat Freddy gets universal usage

SSH also loves his club - that much is apparant. But before a top flight manager can be appointed, we have to become an attractive proposition to him. anyway - i said my bit earlier. Settling for Fat Sam is not loving your club Who do you realistically think we could get? You're not happy with Roeder, but you haven't suggested any positive change as far as I am aware. Klinsman for a start. There are hundreds of managers out there, yet the same unrealisitc alternatives keep getting mentioned, it always, well we couldn't get Hitzfeld and we don't want Pearce, so we have to have Fat Sam. Never mind he turned us down, and that messy business with Kevin Bond. People are manufacturing reasons as to why he should be here, when frankly, he had sod all support a few years ago.

You must be off your tits if you think Allardyce is the next Robbie Williams. I think he's an improvement and our best, realistic option. To stick with Roeder would be foolish indeed, for ST renewals alone. Allerdyce will save this club money in the short and long term imo. Well you've hit the nail on the head as to why he's here, as it's nowt to do with football abilities

SSH also loves his club - that much is apparant. But before a top flight manager can be appointed, we have to become an attractive proposition to him. anyway - i said my bit earlier. Settling for Fat Sam is not loving your club

That's Arthur Cox

It's about time Jose was stopped from buying any and all possible competition he can get his hands on

I can't see those links, post a pic

The only game being played is the lets pretend type, whereby we suspend all past knowledge and blame Roeder for the fact the NUFC defence has included Bramble this season.

"You better fucking get inside him now"

Exactly. But look at most football clubs and how they are set up in terms of coaching staff. Ever notice the amount of coaches Liverpool have? When they beat Chelsea last week they were all on the pitch afterwords and were celebrating with the players... we honestly have Clark (reserve team coach who shouldn't be near the first team on that basis), Terry Mac (who doesn't even come out for the warm ups), Genoe (GK coach), and the fitness coach who does the warm up routines. I remember Allardyce saying he had 29 members of staff working for him at Bolton, ok maybe it's quality not quantity but surely they would be more prepared than NUFC with our set up. Nutritionists, psychologists, etc. all play there part and even if they only bring out an extra 1% of the players then surely they are worth having. So the fact that Terry Mac doesn't come out for warm ups has led you to deduce we don't have a nutritionist Because we do? And a psychologist? And we use prozone? Don't we? I don't know, and neither do you.