Super_Steve_Howey

That's exactly it, everyone's ecstatic because he's not Roeder or Souness, without assessing Fat Sam in the context of running a massive club with millions to spend. And I'm mystified as to the rubbish being spouted about how the club is run / structured, most of it is conjecture based on dodgy press articles. I don't recall Nigel Pearson ever being a geordie or an ex player. I recall Kevin Bond had a good reputation, I wonder why he got fired? I saw dubious tactics, unfit and/or out of form players, players who are not improving. I have seen foreigners who don't settle. Clearly all signs of a club well run... All of which I had seen at one time or another under SBR / Keegan Do you expect players to pull out all the stops for a manager who people were wanting sacked after 6 months? You expect foreign players to be happy in NUFC, how many managers has Emre had now? You expect players to improve when they're being to to fuck off by the fans? Blithely blaming this malaise on the manager is daft No exculpating a manager from his incompetence is daft. To compare Souness and Roeder to the reigns of Keegan and Robson is just absurd - nothing else. A manager doesn't deserve to get blamed if there are indications of progress - there wasn't the slightest bit under Souness or Roeder. The club was going backwards rapidly. The manager is responsible for this. And the board. I'm just comparing them on the observations you stated. I guess Allardyce will get the rose tinted treatment, and excuses like injuries and it not being his team will be gladly accepted given his stellar record. I think people are just pleased because we might be getting a manager with a good record whereas the one that has just left was doing a poor job, which is his trademark really. The comparison to be made of the new manager is not Roeder or Souness. The irony of statements coming out now about wait until Sam has completely restructured the club, completely changed the team etc etc. When was the last time a manager was allowed to do that here? Was Roeder alllowed to do anything that required time to be assessed? Souness had a good record, records mean nothing. So where were any real indications under Roeder that the club was moving in the right direction. It was all just paper talk. Who knows where the club was going? Roeder never even got a chance to get rid of Bumble, the first manager in our history who ever wanted to.

That's exactly it, everyone's ecstatic because he's not Roeder or Souness, without assessing Fat Sam in the context of running a massive club with millions to spend. And I'm mystified as to the rubbish being spouted about how the club is run / structured, most of it is conjecture based on dodgy press articles. I don't recall Nigel Pearson ever being a geordie or an ex player. I recall Kevin Bond had a good reputation, I wonder why he got fired? I saw dubious tactics, unfit and/or out of form players, players who are not improving. I have seen foreigners who don't settle. Clearly all signs of a club well run... All of which I had seen at one time or another under SBR / Keegan Do you expect players to pull out all the stops for a manager who people were wanting sacked after 6 months? You expect foreign players to be happy in NUFC, how many managers has Emre had now? You expect players to improve when they're being to to fuck off by the fans? Blithely blaming this malaise on the manager is daft No exculpating a manager from his incompetence is daft. To compare Souness and Roeder to the reigns of Keegan and Robson is just absurd - nothing else. A manager doesn't deserve to get blamed if there are indications of progress - there wasn't the slightest bit under Souness or Roeder. The club was going backwards rapidly. The manager is responsible for this. And the board. I'm just comparing them on the observations you stated. I guess Allardyce will get the rose tinted treatment, and excuses like injuries and it not being his team will be gladly accepted given his stellar record. I think people are just pleased because we might be getting a manager with a good record whereas the one that has just left was doing a poor job, which is his trademark really. The comparison to be made of the new manager is not Roeder or Souness. The irony of statements coming out now about wait until Sam has completely restructured the club, completely changed the team etc etc. When was the last time a manager was allowed to do that here? Was Roeder alllowed to do anything that required time to be assessed? Souness had a good record, records mean nothing. Roeder's a shit manager who should never have got near the job in the first place. And I'm not so sure Souness does have a good record. Records mean nothing though Allardyce has been at one top flight club and never one a trophy. Souness had managed many top flight teams and had trophies. Yes Roeder was shit, but why is Allardyce given accomodations that Roeder was not? Why have we basically just wasted a year? Some of the advantages to having Allardyce would have been laughed off the board a few years ago. So what is the metric to measure him by? How many places above our final position this year will be acceptable in 12 months time, given the fact that Allardyce is a proven Premiership manager?

That's exactly it, everyone's ecstatic because he's not Roeder or Souness, without assessing Fat Sam in the context of running a massive club with millions to spend. And I'm mystified as to the rubbish being spouted about how the club is run / structured, most of it is conjecture based on dodgy press articles. I don't recall Nigel Pearson ever being a geordie or an ex player. I recall Kevin Bond had a good reputation, I wonder why he got fired? I saw dubious tactics, unfit and/or out of form players, players who are not improving. I have seen foreigners who don't settle. Clearly all signs of a club well run... All of which I had seen at one time or another under SBR / Keegan Do you expect players to pull out all the stops for a manager who people were wanting sacked after 6 months? You expect foreign players to be happy in NUFC, how many managers has Emre had now? You expect players to improve when they're being to to fuck off by the fans? Blithely blaming this malaise on the manager is daft No exculpating a manager from his incompetence is daft. To compare Souness and Roeder to the reigns of Keegan and Robson is just absurd - nothing else. A manager doesn't deserve to get blamed if there are indications of progress - there wasn't the slightest bit under Souness or Roeder. The club was going backwards rapidly. The manager is responsible for this. And the board. I'm just comparing them on the observations you stated. I guess Allardyce will get the rose tinted treatment, and excuses like injuries and it not being his team will be gladly accepted given his stellar record. I think people are just pleased because we might be getting a manager with a good record whereas the one that has just left was doing a poor job, which is his trademark really. The comparison to be made of the new manager is not Roeder or Souness. The irony of statements coming out now about wait until Sam has completely restructured the club, completely changed the team etc etc. When was the last time a manager was allowed to do that here? Was Roeder alllowed to do anything that required time to be assessed? Souness had a good record, records mean nothing.

That's exactly it, everyone's ecstatic because he's not Roeder or Souness, without assessing Fat Sam in the context of running a massive club with millions to spend. And I'm mystified as to the rubbish being spouted about how the club is run / structured, most of it is conjecture based on dodgy press articles. I don't recall Nigel Pearson ever being a geordie or an ex player. I recall Kevin Bond had a good reputation, I wonder why he got fired? I saw dubious tactics, unfit and/or out of form players, players who are not improving. I have seen foreigners who don't settle. Clearly all signs of a club well run... All of which I had seen at one time or another under SBR / Keegan Do you expect players to pull out all the stops for a manager who people were wanting sacked after 6 months? You expect foreign players to be happy in NUFC, how many managers has Emre had now? You expect players to improve when they're being to to fuck off by the fans? Blithely blaming this malaise on the manager is daft No exculpating a manager from his incompetence is daft. To compare Souness and Roeder to the reigns of Keegan and Robson is just absurd - nothing else. A manager doesn't deserve to get blamed if there are indications of progress - there wasn't the slightest bit under Souness or Roeder. The club was going backwards rapidly. The manager is responsible for this. And the board. I'm just comparing them on the observations you stated. I guess Allardyce will get the rose tinted treatment, and excuses like injuries and it not being his team will be gladly accepted given his stellar record.

That's exactly it, everyone's ecstatic because he's not Roeder or Souness, without assessing Fat Sam in the context of running a massive club with millions to spend. And I'm mystified as to the rubbish being spouted about how the club is run / structured, most of it is conjecture based on dodgy press articles. I don't recall Nigel Pearson ever being a geordie or an ex player. I recall Kevin Bond had a good reputation, I wonder why he got fired? I saw dubious tactics, unfit and/or out of form players, players who are not improving. I have seen foreigners who don't settle. Clearly all signs of a club well run... All of which I had seen at one time or another under SBR / Keegan Do you expect players to pull out all the stops for a manager who people were wanting sacked after 6 months? You expect foreign players to be happy in NUFC, how many managers has Emre had now? You expect players to improve when they're being to to fuck off by the fans? Blithely blaming this malaise on the manager is daft

For me, if a manager has only been in charge for one season, the league table is as much down to the players than the manager

That's exactly it, everyone's ecstatic because he's not Roeder or Souness, without assessing Fat Sam in the context of running a massive club with millions to spend. And I'm mystified as to the rubbish being spouted about how the club is run / structured, most of it is conjecture based on dodgy press articles. I don't recall Nigel Pearson ever being a geordie or an ex player. I recall Kevin Bond had a good reputation, I wonder why he got fired?

By that logic Fat Sam is actually taking a step down to come here, which is patently rubbish. And you have absolutely no basis whatsoever to make that claim about Klinsman, you ask him whether he thinks NUFC is a big club, I'm pretty sure he would say yes. The error occuring now is that Fred still thinks we ARE a big club and mistakenly believes Fat Sam is a TOP manager

I think I am getting it. And why the sudden revelation? These rules have been in place for years now, and they were in place when we signed Owen. It's just there have only been a handful of cases when players have exploited the right. Why are you delivering it like it's a newsflash? My point, which still stands, is that the effect of this ruling is will be little more than a slight variation in eventual compensation, be it from club or player. The mechanisms are different but the end result it much the same. So he leaves and we get £5m, if we sold him with a year to go we'd get maybe £8m at best, knowing he'd be a free agent in a year? Or more realistically the club and agent agree to an arrangement that keeps the fee higher and allows for a cut to be diverted to the player and agent. It says that Webster case is the first time the rule has been invoked, until that time it is never clear what the status is regarding possible use of the rule. Also, whether we get 5 milliion is also subject to doubt based on just 1 case. Finally, it's noteworthy now because until recently there hasn't been one massive reason why Owen could do this, and I doubt most even knew about it. There is a big difference between this scenario and us selling him unwillingly for a fee.

Something approaching a task the size of managing NUFC might be a start. Answering questions about bung allegations and why he turned us down 3 years ago and why he didn't give us a call last year would also help. First of all, what makes you think we're a big club? There are only three things that are big at NUFC at the minute - Freddy's waistline, the first team's wage bill and the fans expectations. I can't be arsed to get into the bung side of things as Freddy's probably as bent as a nine bob note, too. I personally could not give a toss either that he turned us down three years ago. Unfortunately for you SSH, this job isn't the holy grail of world football and people will turn it down. If you think managing Bolton is the same as managing NUFC, that's fine. If you think it's OK to hold out for the manager of Bolton to become available while he sorts out what he wants to do with his life, that's also fine.

Turned the volume up?

Eh? Of course you can, you don't sell him. You refuse all offers, you put a ridiculous price on his head. At least you are supposed to get some money if they do go while under contract, that is the point of this thread And you expect him to play 100% for the club while not happy? That's no good for us or the player. Then after a year he walks on a free. That's without factoring in the ability for agents to get stories in the press. If players want to go, they'll go and a price will be found eventually- even in some cases with players waiving signing on fees and the like. You're not getting it are you? He can go for free whether we like it or not after only 3 years of his contract in this situation. That's totally different to agreeing a price for a wantaway player who has a year left on his contract.

Something approaching a task the size of managing NUFC might be a start. Answering questions about bung allegations and why he turned us down 3 years ago and why he didn't give us a call last year would also help.

Can I be the first of many to say: Oh do fuck off you stupid tit. It's well known the man is head and shoulders above the majority of other managers when it comes to fitness, diets, coaching etc. He took Gary Speed, who every Newcastle fan would admit had lost a yard or two of pace, and made him last for a few more years. Now i'm not the biggest Allardyce fan and I don't expect immediate results from him but the mans reputation preceeds him. We've been crying out for a manager who knows what he's doing off the pitch and aswell as on it and he's someone who could potentially drag us back into the upper half of the Premiership. Fuck off yourself. The idea that Fat Sam is the only manager out there with these ideas and methods is laughable. It's one extreme to the other, Roeder is an absolute buffoon who knows abslutely nothing, Allardyce is a pioneering leading edge expert manager. What a crock of shite. The only manager? No. The only manager Freddy would touch with a pole the size of my MASSIVE cock? Yes. Allardyce is fucking Einstein compared to Roeder. You may not like it but if you can put forward a realistic target i'll be all fucking ears. Klinsman? You should know you copied it off me. (Admittedly I copied it off Meenzer)

Can I be the first of many to say: Oh do fuck off you stupid tit. It's well known the man is head and shoulders above the majority of other managers when it comes to fitness, diets, coaching etc. He took Gary Speed, who every Newcastle fan would admit had lost a yard or two of pace, and made him last for a few more years. Now i'm not the biggest Allardyce fan and I don't expect immediate results from him but the mans reputation preceeds him. We've been crying out for a manager who knows what he's doing off the pitch and aswell as on it and he's someone who could potentially drag us back into the upper half of the Premiership. Fuck off yourself. The idea that Fat Sam is the only manager out there with these ideas and methods is laughable. It's one extreme to the other, Roeder is an absolute buffoon who knows abslutely nothing, Allardyce is a pioneering leading edge expert manager. What a crock of shite.

With the amount of attributes being accredited to Allardyce it's a wonder he hasn't quit Bolton and set up an international school of football management.

Eh? Of course you can, you don't sell him. You refuse all offers, you put a ridiculous price on his head. At least you are supposed to get some money if they do go while under contract, that is the point of this thread

Never change the deal Never ask names Never open the package

Because? Cause above everything we need organising and a re-vamp of the set up. Something he knows a thing or two about from his time at Bolton. His attention to detail and empahsis on player development and motivation and his overall psychological approach (something that some of our player sorely need). IMO Sam will put this background structure in place (and it wil take 2 seasons at least to start showing) and this will be the platform to his legacy. It is exactly what we need. For now the system of play and purchases and other 'on field' stuff although important ( and will be communicated to the side) is not quite as critical as making the base right to take us forward. That is why I feel at this moment he is a godsend. Sounds ... rivetting. I'm sure Sam Allardyce is the only man in the entire football world with this skill set.

So not free then. We'd be entitled to a figure close to Owen's final year salary by way of compensation, so around £5m and I don't think we'd be getting much more on the transfer market with a year left on his deal. The point being we couldn't stop him leaving. Little mickey pays us his salary, and gets a £5m signing bonus from his new club

Because?

No idea, not done it at all today

I'd be almost certain you were joking were it not for the amount of crap you've come out with today Judging by your assessment of big sam in relation to NUFC, I wouldn't trust your own instincts were you joking? Of course I was you dimwit.

I'd be almost certain you were joking were it not for the amount of crap you've come out with today Judging by your assessment of big sam in relation to NUFC, I wouldn't trust your own instincts

The Herminator. Gotta feel sorry for the lad