McFaul

19 months on, I'm prepared to hold my hands up and say "well done Mike", still a fat cockney wank though.

When Phillips was at WBA he got a shit reception off the mackems, and he said they were a bunch of wanks. Words to that effect. Another embarrassing episode for Sunderland fans, and in my life time there was the worst one of the lot when their own chairman said "I wish we had Newcastle's fans". Well said Tom Cowie, an aptly named chairman given what is one of the most popular daily tablets to consume on Wearside.

Of course it was, Liverpool didn't win the FA Cup till 1965 though so of course it's not as important. Utter wankers. Obviously mackems are small time wankers, but they're small time wankers without the bindipping arrogance.

Good effort although Julia Goerges wins for her classic krautness, even though she looks like Hasselhoff a bit

Well said the bloke has no got a fucking clue. Lives in a filthy scouse bubble, slagging our attendances off fucking incredible. Our support pisses on any club in world football considering we've won FUCK ALL domestically since 1955. Four generations of people can feel it, yet still we've been in the top 6 best supported clubs for about 50 of the last 65 seasons since the war, show me a comparable club, there isn't one, our support UTTERLY PISSES ALL OVER THE WALL PUSHERS, always has, always will. Many of their own players have even said, Keegan said it as a Liverpool player, Mick Quinn and Terry Mac say it regularly. The bloke has not got a clue, he's a typical scouser, Everton fans are every bit as deluded too if not more so.

Two people have told you you're talking shite, but it's a fact because you're fatha told you? You stupid cunt. You've accepted that Newcastle held the FA Cup as the most prestigious competition which it clearly was, two people have told you we forfeited league titles to win it, so who can deny that every other club held it in the same esteem we did? They did, and I have no doubt Liverpool did, you're wrong, emphatically wrong. The fact is every club held it as the most prestigious and the most important to win.

It wasn't THE trophy to win the FA Cup carried far far far more prestige, it's not even an argument, but it suits yours by making a lie up about "Shanks". They are astonishing generally speaking given we haven't won anything for domestically in over two generations. If we'd won half what Liverpool have since 1965 90,000 capacity would be too small.

Total bollocks. The FA Cup was THE trophy for every club, far far more prestigious than the League and a bit of basic research would show you that. HMHM said the same thing at the same time. Speak to someone a bit older than yourself and they'll explain it to you. Which seasons were abysmal? 81, 82 and 1991, due to organised boycotts? When else? Everton averaged 18,000 in the top flight while winning the FA Cup, far worse than anything we've ever done.

We always put more importance on the FA Cup than the league, it was always seen as more prestigious than the league too up to the 70's. In fact one of the years 1951 or 52 we had 6 games in hand only needed to win 3 or 4 but played our reserves to rest the first team for the FA Cup Final thereby forfeiting the league to win the Cup. Our support has always been astonishing, on paper we had a few bad ones but 1991, was an official boycott to get SJH in power which we won.

I don't think he knows much about Newcastle United, either pre-planned ignorance, or actual ignorance. Newcastle and Arsenal were the biggest clubs in England before Munich, support wise over 120 years we're above Everton, and given the fact we've had so much turmoil throughout our history, while they've had a bit more stability, only emphasises the point that we are a naturally bigger club than Everton. It's not really something you can debate. We had more fans paying higher prices, watching Championship football than Everton have had at Goodison since 1970, the club size thing isn't an argument and never will be.

There is a difference, we're a much, much better supported club than they are, historically over 120 years the trophy haul is similar, but as a result of the infrastructure and fanbase we can make more money than they do, which is key in modern football, they'll slip even further. I don't even know what u can do to take Everton to the next level, given their vast over achievement in the last 10 years, and there's no manager alive who could've done better than Moyes with a club of Everton's present size. When they came 4th in 2005 I think it was one of the greatest achievements in English football in the Premiership era, given their resources. They've won 15 trophies, we've won 11, not a vast difference. Four trophies difference over 120 years, they're seen as successful, we're seen as underachievers, which says so much about the two clubs. Over 120 years of history we've been a better supported club than Everton despite having four less trophies, and not having won a domestic one for 57 years. NUFC are an astonishing club, I don't think there's a parallel anywhere on earth, some people say Schalke but even they've won the odd trophy recently. Liverpool have a similar trophy haul to Man Utd but Manchester United as most people would concede dwarf Liverpool in the here and now, given the fact they've won 11 league titles in the last 20 years, and are one of the very biggest clubs in the world. Not wishing to pick a fight but you wouldn't see Man Utd getting 35,000 because the manager is under performing. Trophies from 30 years ago only mean so much in terms of stature, the Merseyside fans generally mention the past because it's the main way they can paint their clubs in a positive light. The reality is, stature wise, and if you're honest looking at the future based on facts, Liverpool are probably the 5th club in England. Sadly at this point in time we're 7th until we catch Tottenham. I'm sure you will argue this point but Liverpool need a minor miracle to catch Arsenal off the pitch in terms of income. I don't know how they can do it to be honest.

Aye you're right, lots of Hearts fans.

We used to get Scottish here in the 80's. One game we had 1,000 Hearts come down to watch John Robertson, shame they didn't take him back home with them. When I was in Thailand I saw more of our shirts than any English team other than Man Utd and Arsenal to be fair that was 2000, we'd just come 2nd twice, been in two FA Cup Finals, and it will be different now, but go anywhere almost and you'll find a Newcastle shirt. It was the second best selling shirt in English football in the late 90's. Everton though, you see as many Sunderland shirts in London for example. It's very rare you go anywhere and don't find a Newcastle fan in my experience. The last London company I worked for had 15 people there, two toon fans, one of them from Algeria! I think relegation while not part of their history generally is an inevitability if they don't replace Moyes adequately, because they can't generate the interest and revenue any more. Sunderland have 6 titles Everton have 9, apart from that is there any difference between the two clubs? You can only put so much weighting on history, what I mean is in terms of their future. Quite clearly their support is dwindling, and their ability to buy players isn't that much greater than Norwich or Swansea. Moyes is a miracle worker keeping that club in the top 10 in my view.

I spent a large portion of my life in London, the rest in Newcastle and round the North of England, and never ever come across an Everton fan not from their localish area. They'll exist sure but they're few in number which is surprising considering they were successful in the 80's. I doubt there's one Everton fan from the North East who doesn't have a blood tie to Merseyside, the other way round we've got loads in the North West. There's a good few on here alone. I actually know two toon fans personally from Warrington with no N.E. connections. I get the impression even their scouse support is dying year by year as their gates continue to plummet, Liverpool winning the CL will have done them no favours. It's 20 years since Newcastle had a worse average gate than Everton did last season and they came SEVENTH! Massive over achievement for a club of their current standing and income.

Is there a way of deein these of your mobile? Everyone should try and do their best accent which isn't their natural one. I can do Glasgow at least I think I can.

John O'Shea - Manchester United Premier League (5): 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11 FA Cup (1): 2003–04 Football League Cup (3): 2005–06, 2008–09 2009–10 FA Community Shield (4): 2003, 2007, 2008, 2010 UEFA Champions League (1): 2007–08 FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008 Roberto Carlos has been a good player, but there have been many better defenders than him in my view. If you're left back your job is to defend, on that basis Ashley Cole is better, but as an overall footballer, Carlos was a good'un, but without doubt in my view, he was no Paolo Maldini and I'd even put the likes of Bixente Lizarazu above him.

Good lad. Where are you sitting?

I know we have loads of randoms, far, far more than a club like Forest or Villa who won the European Cup! They're not all glory hunters I accept that, and the OOT's who support us to this day how can they be glory hunters, we've been shite for 10 years and they're still here. I know in Nottinghamshire, the towns around Mansfield, Newcastle is the main club because of geordie-diaspora from the mines 30-60 years ago.

I respect that about the mackems though, their fanbase is basically almost 100% South Tyneside, Sunderland and County Durham. Everton are the same, you never find an Everton fan anywhere but Merseyside and North Wales. Newcastle have fans fucking everywhere, we got so many glory hunters in the 90's it was unbelievable from around the country and beyond, we have Irish toon fans, Scottish toon fans, North West toon fans (more than a few bizarrely. In Carlisle we're by far the second best supported team), Cockney toon fans etc...etc... they just have the N.E. and I do respect that. For us though around the country in terms of OOT's even to this day only Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool have more OOT's although I'd expect Chelsea and Man City to usurp that in the next ten years. Given the fact our local fanbase is as large and loyal as just about any club in Britain, and we have all these OOT's too, it makes you wonder just how big we'd be if we were successful. You just need to see a toon away end in London, you'd think you were in a West Ham end the accents you hear around you.

NUFC formed 1992 eh? http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/england/aveeng1984.htm

A brilliant summary but I've quoted this one in bold, they used to say this when I worked there, NUFC formed 1992, which is ironic seeing as though the 80's was probably our worst ever decade, top 10 once, yet we were generally 5th or 6th best supported team in the country (THIRD in 1984 despite being in Division Two), yet the mackems never averaged over 20,000 once in the full decade! Fucking paraffins. Their last season at Joker the capacity was 22,000 and they had three sell outs all season in the Premiership. They built their ground and filled it for a few years, with all the Skyfan boy trimmings then they all fucked off again. Fucking joke club, who know their station deep down but talk utter shit publically.

Aye but at least he was shocking and only played a few times, unlike Parl Hardeamun.

Not in the top 10 best left backs ever, if he didn't have such an amazing left foot in an attacking sense I doubt he'd have had as many caps. I can think of better British left backs, not your very owun Micky Grayuh tho-ugh!

What a goal by Abeid, WHAT a goal. Proper goal that. Shearer would've been proud, not enough players can cleanly strike a ball, the keeper never even saw it. Very encouraging.

Totally agree, it bugs me when people criticise how she looks, she's always happy and clearly a lush person.