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Its a bit like what happened to MUFC on a smaller scale. Someone could in theory come in, buy the club by loaning from the banks and we'd be back to square 1. We could rack up a loan of interest like MUFC do. Iirc the Glaziers didnt plump up the cash for MUFC, they got the banks to and the are crippled with (though manageable) interest. MA could sell but it needs someone to buy it and take on the debt which at the moment isnt with a bank and that is more attractive.

It's not really a loan. MA paid £100m to Shepherd and Hall. He knew in advance that the loan needed to be repaid due to change in ownership. The other alternative would have been for Shepherd and Hall to pump in their own money to repay the loan (which they certainly wouldn't do - S&H both took millions and millions OUT of the club) then MA to pay them the extra. I've not actually looked at the accounts yet, but didnt MA set up a holding company, he loans the holding company money and they buy the club? So the club is owned by the holding Co who own MA the cash?

I think most clubs are technically insolvent. Its like when I checked on my credit thing at work, the recommended limit for nufc was £500. The balance sheet was shocking. The club owes MA millions but if the club was sold it would be exactly the same. Biggest difference is MA is giving us the loan interest free while we were paying the bank each year for the loan.

Fucking hell, days dont come much better. Nice one Stevie I've had a VAT inspection at work for two days. They always, ALWAYS find something. So I was expecting him to dig up some mistake I had made. I'd convinced myself I was in for a £4-5K bill but as it turns out apart from the one thing I knew I hadnt been doing right (scale charges) everything was spot on. Result!

Mr Bass, you still updating these? Or do you want a hand?

Fulham 1-0 Swansea Sat Wigan 2-1 West Brom Sat Wolves 0-2 Man Utd Sun Newcastle 2-0 Norwich Sun Aston Villa 1-0 Bolton Tue Blackburn 1-2 Sunderland Tue Man City 2-1 Chelsea Wed Tottenham 2-1 Stoke Wed Everton 0-2 Arsenal Wed QPR 0-1 Liverpool Wed

You can see it now, Sunderland get to the FA Cup final and lose but take the final Europa spot. Daft thing is, they'd only be celebrating us not getting it

Are you going to fill his void? fnar fnar

Old game but I still can't do it. I swear as I get older my hands shake more (best go for a piss then eh..) http://www.fugly.com/flash/709/Scary_Maze_Game.html

Aye, you can watch me punch his lights out for being a cheeky fucker. Umm, is that before or after? Just to be sure!

Most interesting, apart from when the same arguement ends up spanning every active thread.

I'm handy with a camera, does that mean I get to watch "for artistic reasons"

Not going to kick the bloke when he cant reply. I'll just say I've often tried to post with him to have discussion and at times he has taken on reason debate. But I think it got to the point with so many sick of the repetition that any decent points were lost among all the bollocks.

At the start of the season we had once of the best though. What was pointed out was how well we held our line and quick we reacted. I can only think either the change in personnel (Taylor etc) or play style from the manager has effected this. Or of course the amount of protection being given by the midfield.

Well its ignorance on their part isnt it? I'd kick one of our fans doing it in the bollocks. But anyone not a NUFC fan I can understand as the media would have you believe they the only Utd in the UK.

Its a none issue saying as he scores on sunday.

I think y they've got enough to lord over us without using the united term to mock. Have you heard their fans when they play us? I guarantee if you give them anything they will make a song about it. They still bang on about shearer and made their own version of Blaydon Races.

I liked Carroll when he was here, I thought he was excellent at holding up the ball and seemed to link up well with Nolan. I would still like him here as he would give us something when Ba was out. I think AC could play alongside Cisse as well.

Couldnt care less tbh. I think us being bothered would only give the MU fans something to sing about.

Like a sock...

At first glance, you could get rid of : 4.Forster 10.Williamson 11.Kadar 12.Perch 17.Smith 28.Best 30.Xisco 31.Lovenkrands 32.Ranger and replace with half as many who could actually get into the starting XI.

it could be different ? It could also quicken the realisation that they are not prepared to spend more than x amount of money to attempt to go higher and will pocket it instead ? It's wierd this, because everybody I actually go to the match with, also sussed him out ages ago too. Hey I dont disagree, thats why I say it will be interesting. We know being in Europe increases income. So if we are near breaking even now then surely with better income we should make a profit. To me it will send even stronger signals to their intention. I have no idea what way they will go. I know you say they wont increase their spend accordingly and expect to see profit being made an retained. I just dont know though.

I think quite a few "hate" him, not that it matters or I give a toss either way, but its 100% nailed that the flak I get is because I didn't side with the majority who were totally convinced that anyone would do better than Fred. Its simple law of averages and perception, a club where only 4 had performed better over 15 years, what are the odds of someone doing better, and what are the odds someone else understanding the club and knowing its potential ? Everything aimed at me stems from this ie the comments from the forum clowns shouting "rubbish", but are unable to substantiate these claims after 5 years which is precisely the reason why they have gone down the road of blocking me and hurling childish comments rather than responding intelligently when asked. I quite agree that enough is enough, so far as this sort of thing is concerned, so it is very sad that they cannot acknowledge that they have continued this sort of comments and even go to the extent of blaming others for ruining the forum rather than give the necessary, correct and adult response. I always said that Souness should be sacked, early on - I am no different to a lot of people in that I wanted the club to succeed under him despite my better instincts and sometimes my heart rules my head - but from the point he fell out with Bellamy I was absolutely categoric that he should be sacked and things were going to go downwards, and actually "bickered" with the vast majority of people on here and on NO who said he "should be given time and money to build his own team". All of this is why I am banned from there, because it just went on and on, but when you know you are right, why should you say what others want to hear ? This is where all the opposition to me on NO and on here started, and it's continued ever since. I am 100% convinced that what I say about Mike Ashley is correct and its quite amazing that this has continued for almost 5 years now, after everything that has happened. It's as if people are still clinging to the belief that he will in fact prove better than Fred, such is their obsessed hatred and refusal to accept the fact that he has got nowhere near so far and the setup of the club is such that it is not going to happen either. The latest statement that they are going to improve the bench is mind boggling, and only further emphasises the limited ambitions and the fact that we are not going to see the entire Carroll money [and the money from other major sales that will come either], and that can have only one result, unfortunately. Id be interested then to hear anyone on here say they "hate" him. Well, not him but maybe "them". I remember when we played Liverpool and I was down at Anfield when GS was the manager. We left the stadium and the Sky TV cameras were there and they came up to us. I wouldnt speak to them but my mate did. He said we had to back the manager, it was Fred appointment so we had to back him and support him. The reason he said this though was because the Sky crew wanted us to say how much we hated GS and pretty much said they would only air our comment if that was our view. It's right though, you cant appoint a manager and then not back him. It was prob the lowest point of the club in recent years (apart from relegation now ofc and JFK which for me eclipsed that), slowly seeing the club be dismantled. Bellamy, Robert out Luque in etc. Morale and feeling about the club changed overnight. Signing Owen for me was a last throw of the dice and I think things were getting desperate. For me, this is when we lost what we had under FF and we started to struggle on and off the field. When we talk about things being better if FF left, I think it's easy to forget that we were going through a totally different period in the clubs history. This wasnt about not spending and then being put out of the qualifiers by Partizan etc, this was about Souness, Roeder, Fat Sam. Roeder didnt fair too badly to be fair to him, but once GS came in I think the atmosphere about the club changed. It wasnt that fans wanted better than Robson, I think we wanted just to be a top 6-7 side consistently. I didnt know what to expect when MA came in. I can recall now just saying "be careful what you wish for". Fuck me, I didnt think we would go through what we have though. We've been through the mill with MA but its still better than when I started following the club in the late 80s. I've said a few times I have chose to ignore the off the field stuff as it boils by piss but on the pitch at the moment Im enjoying it which after all is my main reason to watch it in the first place.

See he deleted his account after that. No doubt he will pop up again.

Nee change here then