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Oh and by the way, a line straight out the J69 playbook and getting back up off Gene. I'm not the one falling down here, i just hope you dont get stuck in a traffic jam on the Scotswood road going home tonight and set off to buy a can of coke from an asian corner shop.

What a hypocritic. I said imo it was something from the coast and this caused you utter outrage, now 2 pages later you're telling me what you said was fine because you said 'seems' to you. Have you any idea how ridiculous that makes you look? One thing that does wind me up is people who cant keep track of what they are saying. I wasnt trying to patronise you either massively over-sensitive bairn. From telling me that i dont know what i'm talking about and i dont know what words we used as kids to now telling me whether i meant something as i wind up. I dont know how you dare go on like that, i really dont. Are you not a bit ashamed to be telling me what i think and what i mean, even if i immediately try to set you straight? You've lost it. The irrelevant points about the word being related to Scotswood road, which you apparently deny? I've seen you try and dismiss points as irrelevant a hundred times on here, it doesnt work with me.

You said it was "a phrase only people from the West End and beyond seem to know. I've said it to people from the coast and Wallsend and they think you're on about jocks." Shite I'm not disputing its origin as neither i nor you knows. I admitted it was to wind you up in response to your claim no one from the coast knows the phrase. The logic was 'who the fuck knows where it comes from and as its derogatory it could be a word used by people outside of that specific area'. I'll help you with your case (see below) but that will make a mockery of your pedantry. I was the first person in this thread to connect the word to Scotswood, you were the one claiming you knew where the word came from and who used it. You made grand claims about a word, pretended you knew the intricacies of how its used across the region and thats the statement i said was shite. You're trying to claim some geographical nonsense when on, along or near all means the same and the distance you were talking about is measured in metres. However, lets be clear about a few things. People used to say they lived in Benwell or Elswick as they didnt want to admit they lived on Scotswood road. Which tells you that people who lived on Scotswood road were considered bamps. The word we can safely say refers to Scotswood or Scotswood road, thats clearly where its derived from. So given the nature of the slums on the road, the word comes from people who used to live on the Scotswood road, which makes sense. The reason why you want to make an argument about this is highlighted in bold above.

He didnt actually say anything, just that he hadnt heard the word until he was 27 years old. Not surprising when you spend your youth quoting Proust, reading Ginsberg, smoking a pipe and acting like a fucking knob jockey. As for this Stevie As i lived in the North East for 25 years, hung out in Elswick for a large part of my youth and am telling you it was a word we used as kids, what possible justification you have for writing that is beyond me. I'd be embarrassed to try and claim someone doesnt 'know what they are talking about' when the subject area is 'slang words used when we were kids' and someone is telling you their own experience. Its an odd way to present yourself, lets put it that way.

Who is backtracking here? You're an arrogant lad at times Stevie but to be telling me, 8 years your elder, what words i used as a young lad takes the piss. You're trying to win an argument on some technicality that Scotswood road doesnt go through the 3 areas of Elswick, Benwell and Scotswood which is just absurd. If you cant answer the question about what area Scotswood road is in, just say so. The business park is near enough to be said to be in Elswick, its 200m from Elswick park. Good enough for me. For your information Stevie i was posting from my phone yesterday whilst waiting for a car pick up. Saying on, along, near are all the same things geographically. Are you suggesting i dont know what the road looks like? That i've never driven along it? My best mate lived next to it for 20 years so i dont need a geography lesson. I said the name Scotchy comes from people living on the Scotswood road as for me that refers to not just Scotswood, i wanted to include Benwell and Elswick. Linguistically on or near are the same for me. Your idiotic pedantry is just because you claimed the word was used by people in west end, which it wasnt. For the 3rd time recently i've posted something thats gone over your head. 'Parameters of beyond' have you heard yourself man?

So why wont you answer my question, which area of Newcastle is it in then? You said I said Unless you mean in the known universe beyond the west end, in which case the word only was redundant.

I'm still waiting to find out what part of town Scotswood road runs through. In all seriousness I was just winding Stevie up when I said that because how can anyone know where words originated from. It was just such a derogatory term it struck me as likely not to be made up by the scotchys themselves. However, when Stevie said it was a phrase only people from the west end knew, i was compelled to tell him he was talking shit. It doesn't really matter if it was word kids from the town made up or elsewhere but all my mates used it to refer to what Stevie now calls paraffins.

Incorrect Gene, I may think you're a bit of a bell but I just saw the opportunity to gently take the piss. Sorry you took it so badly. Fuck me people are easily riled

I guess you don't come across the term that much when you're a pretentious literature student.

Ok, Captain Serious.

How do you know the history of the term, how do you know where it originated? All I know I I was using the term many years before you were. Unless you've been discussing slang terms In use in the 1970s with another qualified professional. So if the road can't be described as running through those 3 places, tell me Stevie which areas of Newcastle does it run through?

I was trying to be funny with the analogy too, obviously failed.

I was referring to Scotswood, Benwell and Elswick, the road runs through all 3. You're just pissed off because you were trying to claim a word as specific to the west end when that wasn't true and every single one of my mates would tell you the same thing. Professional Geordie didnt know it was a term used by everyone from all over the area. The shame of it.

I wasn't claiming anything different just that it wasn't used exclusively by one area.

Quite simple Stevie, it was a common word you said wasnt used by people outside of the centre of town.That's the nonsense you were talking. You also questioned that which is just absurd. I think it's funny that you want to take ownership of it, it's like black people and the word nigger in the 60s.

It was term we used to refer to people from that area of the west end, it surprises me that people from the west end refer to themselves as utter bamps that's all, as that's what it means. You obviously celebrate it, each to their own.

I got it

So what you mean is yes it was And don't tell me what words we used as nippers, you weren't even dressing yourself you cheeky fuck. It was a derogatory term used in Whitley in the early 80s if not before to refer to kids from scotswood. You were talking shite.

In fact, isnt scotchie the name for people who live on scotswood road?

Absolute shite, imo its a phrase that comes from the coast. Certainly was us using it when we were kids and not the scotchies from the west end.

Distracted by toast and 2 year olds. I thought it was replying to Wolfy.

By low credit, they mean bond yields. Yields are a measure of the rate of return demanded by the bond purchasers. The government has a deficit, so sells bonds to bond dealers. The Spanish etc have high yields and we have low yields. Also the US have low yields. Understood? So, now lets look at the statement 'we have low bond yields because we have implemented austerity'. For that statement to logically hold, that must (has to) mean that Spain has not implemented austerity and the US has. Spain has implemented austerity and the US has not So, its basically a lie. The UK has low bond yields because we can devalue our currency to stimulate export growth. Spain can not. We can purchase our own bonds via the BoE, EU law is just changing to allow the ECB to do this for member states. We can implement QE, which is where the BoE buys financial products from banks to increase the money in circulation. This is meant to be a stimulus and many in the financial world like this, so yields demanded dont rise. Even though they're all wrong, which is irrelevant to trying to understand why since yield demanded is about nerves and confidence. The UK has a flexible labour market and is seen as being able to adapt more quickly to changing economic circumstances. The labour laws of Spain, France, Italy etc are seen as a major hinderance to long term economic health. The whole point of yesterday's announcement is to show the government is committed to flexibility in our labour market 'structure'. This structure refers to skills needed for the years ahead, not those just passed. Our bond yields never went up but is that because we implemented austerity? Fair question but the answer is no. The US have not implemented austerity, in fact the opposite was true in 2009, there is no further fiscal stimulus but there is no austerity either. The result? Negative bond yields in the US. That means bond traders paying the US government to keep its money as a hedge against inflation. No austerity, highest debt in history, lowest bond yields in history.

Someone ask him by email/twitter then. Ask him to explain why it was ok for them to wear Virgin money. Dont make any sarcy comments about it being to do with keeping the 72 customers in heaven happy either.

So is he arguing that gambling and alcohol sponsorship should also be banned? I'm fine with that as long as we arent being unfair, hypocritical or hysterical about all this.