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:) Where abouts in Boldon?

Same as the amount of games you'll have been to? Fuck off you daft shite. Have you forgotten that you were going to ditch your ticket if you hadnt paid for it in advance for 3 years

This thread needs Accadaaccabacca? ing

So, how many points by the end of Se[ptember

Excellent. The sun is out, the sky is blue... Soaking up the early morning sun having breakfast in the garden. Also just had my first home grown raddish which was delicious. Happy days.

Having googled a few of these locations they certainly look worth a visit, particularly Devon. Just have to decide whether several hotels along a set route may be best or whether a campervan would be a better option.

At £7.50 for soup I'd want the waitresses falling out of their clothes never mind a catalogue

Thought yours would have been......

Well without getting to side tracked down this route..Sir Alan Budd, all over the news today, economist appointed by George Osbourne to give economic forecasts. I appreciate economists dont make decisions in government and I dont recall saying they did. Your last point with regard to objective advice is entirely wrong, for The Tories The whole reason the office for budgetary control was set up was to prevent chancellors (such as Brown and Darling) fiddling the growth figures. Labour fiddling the figures eh?? I know who I think is lying at the moment http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/st...st_downgra.html Im not sure what your point is? I have said and it is a fact aswell that all parties had plans to reduce the debt by Big Cuts in public spending and tax rises. Sorry if Im missing the point of your post . Ill make it simple for you. You accused Labour of fiddling the figures. I then quoted the very economist you mentioned who confirmed that they werent. Two different things imo. Yes he agreed that their cuts and tax policy would make inroads into the structural debt. (we already knew that) The main points he made were that Darling and Browns growth figures were considerably wrong by about 1% give or take. As Labours figures are only a few months old and pre election, the electorate can make their own minds up whether Darling and Brown were just so bad that they got them so wrong or whether they manipulated them to make things look rosier, pre election. To quote someone famous...."I think I know who is lying at the moment".

Well without getting to side tracked down this route..Sir Alan Budd, all over the news today, economist appointed by George Osbourne to give economic forecasts. I appreciate economists dont make decisions in government and I dont recall saying they did. Your last point with regard to objective advice is entirely wrong, for The Tories The whole reason the office for budgetary control was set up was to prevent chancellors (such as Brown and Darling) fiddling the growth figures. Labour fiddling the figures eh?? I know who I think is lying at the moment http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/st...st_downgra.html Im not sure what your point is? I have said and it is a fact aswell that all parties had plans to reduce the debt by Big Cuts in public spending and tax rises. Sorry if Im missing the point of your post .

Ditto, but the public sector comparison is like you taking out a bank loan to employ your wife to manage your finances.

I think in a nutshell he's saying those who can, do.....Those who cant .....Teach Bold out the key arguments in that for me will you. You use the phrase nutshell, so nutshell the article in one or two sentences for me. I am struggling to see where he has dealt with the arguments that a stimulus will pay for itself through growth. He says "Unfortunately, a good deal of the argument about fiscal consolidation is about the timing of economic recovery, the appetite for risk in the private sector and the second and third order effects of fiscal tightening. This kind of judgment in my experience has never been the forte of economists." Which does not constitute an argument. Apart from that, it has no substance. My point is that there are plenty out there on both sides of the argument ...Take this article... http://www.businessinsider.com/stimulus-is...d-advice-2010-6

From the previous article: I think its pretty much agreed by most city economists that no-one quite knows what will happen next. As with all these points in time you will have economists on either side of the fence, just as you will with party followers each thinking their side knows best. As I have said many time I see a bleak outlook ahead as I see no signs of new booms. That being my view I would much rather the government of the day, like any wise family, batten down the hatches and get rid of as much debt as possible. Remember all parties agree to this course of action even if Krugman doesnt. The difference is Labour and its supporters will tell you that they will slash in a nicer way than the tories. I wont convince you differently nor you I.

Well without getting to side tracked down this route..Sir Alan Budd, all over the news today, economist appointed by George Osbourne to give economic forecasts. I appreciate economists dont make decisions in government and I dont recall saying they did. Your last point with regard to objective advice is entirely wrong, for The Tories The whole reason the office for budgetary control was set up was to prevent chancellors (such as Brown and Darling) fiddling the growth figures.

Time for procrastination is passing Jonathan Davis -- Financial Times I think in a nutshell he's saying those who can, do.....Those who cant .....Teach

So basically the majority of the worlds leaders and their highly paid economic advisors are wrong and a few blogging economists are right. Go Figure. Which highly paid economic advisors? Politicians have political advisors, not economic ones. As for 'blogging economists', i tend not to be abusive in these sort of discussion but dont blow your mong-trumpet in my direction without expecting to be shouted down as an idiot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Krugman Anyway, the point being that yes, they are wrong as is now demonstrated by the US experience in 1937 and the Japanese experience in 1996. we are in a liquidity trap and given interest rates close to zero, the DSGE modelled multiplier is 1.5 not 0.4 as the right-wing ideologues would tell us. The question why they are being advised to do this is a pertinent one. The people doing the advising are the city economists who are funding the debt and are paid to manage the risk of their investments. They lend money to the government (i.e. invest in the government) and want them to improve their risk profile for portfolio diversification purposes. They are all, to a man, Friedman-inspired monetarists and believe people like Krugman are using out-dated ISLM models. They are not and they are wrong. Every single economist worth their salt (i.e. is not a capitalist idelogist) predicts the response of the UK government will prolong the recession. People like Stiglitz have been arguing for years against 'fiscal austerity'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalization...Its_Discontents Ofcourse the worlds governments have economic advisors saying they dont shows you have your own mong-trumpet You seem to be foccusing on a double dip recession, however I have said before that most of these governments, ourselves included, probably are less bothered about a double dip. I would guess the decisions being taken in Downing street are in for a penny.... IE Its shit at the moment, we are hardly out of recession, might as well really trim the fat off and if we slip back into recession for a short while so be it. Blame it all on Labour and take the credit when it comes good again.

So basically the majority of the worlds leaders and their highly paid economic advisors are wrong and a few blogging economists are right. Go Figure. Did you have difficulty understanding that article CT? Did you have difficulty understanding my post

First sentence .... No I didnt ...Linky 2nd sentence ....

What makes me giggle from these posted articles are the bits like.... So basically the majority of the worlds leaders and their highly paid economic advisors are wrong and a few blogging economists are right. Go Figure.

Will do. I used TaxCalc last year which I found excellent (sorry accountants) and from memory it did mention about linking the tax references.

Homeward Bound --- The Incredible Journey http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107131/ 8/10 The bairns off with a sore throat today so we watched this old time childrens classic. Thought she'd be all watery eyed at the adventures of Sassy, Chance and Shadow.....Just me blub blub...

Full stop in the wrong place?

Just googled south hams and this picture keeps coming up. Can you say where it is? Also any reccomendations for nice port towns in Devon. Something along the Weymouth lines perhaps.

This would bother me I think. Can get all the barren landscape stuff up the Northumberland coast. It's not in the same league as Northumberland for scenery. Never been but loads of people love Cornwall. From photos it doesn't match the western isles of Scotland though imo, not even close. Think Scotland would win for me, especially for the canny accent (and to be among my special brew drinking buddies)

full of foriegners. When I was study'ing business and marketing 20 years ago, it was part of South Tynesides tourism proposals to release wallabies into the "wilds" of south tyneside. Got knocked back