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Being honest I suspect he still thinks if there was a GE and he could get a better deal than May's then he'd say it isn't necessary.

Still depends on intent/ambition though - when I heard about a billionaire buying us in 2007 we all thought we'd be spending big and that turned to shit.

I think they're also over hyping the "never happened on this planet before" angle - I think three mile island was pretty similar in terms of potential disaster.

I haven't watched it yet but when we went to Kiev in 2003 we did a city bus tour and the guide stated in a very matter of fact way that the wind was blowing away from Kiev that day and they reckon if it had been reversed they were looking at 50k deaths. Could be a scare story but it certainly had that affect on me. We were playing Leicester away that weekend and I remember it pissing down for about three days and I've always wondered how big a dose we got - they mentioned Cumbria taking the brunt so I was "glad" to be out of the North. I have no clue if there was a spike in cancer stats in the UK.

More democracy, less coupling with ecb and its austerity agenda, wiggle room for state intervention. I still think the vision of a block big enough to rival the US, China and the rest makes sense and we should play a full part in it but I can see its a hard sell.

I agree on the need for internal reform - just saying external reform should be on the table too. I think back to years of Thatcher etc selling negotiations with the EU as going to war - if we do somehow remain we need to change that attitude which has been central to the problem.

Even in the short term arguing that "going back to where we were" is good won't win over that many staunch leave voters. We need to provide a vision of hope beyond that - including attempting to reform the EU.

Definitely - but on the other hand supposing remaining will solve all the problems is wrong as well which is why I think supporting the liberals or even a realigned Labour party is pointless - it's the addressing of why they were easily misled that's the way forward.

I think the intellectual thing was a direct dig at Paul Mason who laid into him. I can sort of see his pov in that as I've argued here, there is a lack of empathy with leave voters from strong remainers which is why I have doubts about a surefire victory for remain in another vote. However I think we/they also have to think of the future and ensure Labour appeals to younger voters even if means writing off older "traditional" supporters in the the North and other ex-industroal areas.

That's the cunt who predicted we were going to do a Leeds/Portsmouth and were heading for admin when Shepherd was in charge - ironic considering where they are at the moment.

I understood the rule was voting for another party - if I'm wrong and it's just expressing support for another party then fair enough

I don't hate new Labour - I just think they failed to right enough wrongs. If you join an organisation you follow the rules - I don't think a lying warmonger should be an exception.

Did he drive to Bradford, vote for him and then brag about it on TV?

It's an automatic rule that dates back to at least Blair's leadership.

So we're past the new Man City stage and we've reached the he's a chancer with no real money stage. Great.

Just read the last few pages - what's funny is that when they try and play down how high we could go they completely "forget" who our manager is.

So I take it last night's hope has evaporated in the cold light of dawn.

Stay classy cunts

Dave Allen. Belfast. Protestant Atheist or Catholic Atheist. Circa 1973.

Of course - note Dangernonce's simple reply: "Mag Plod".

I finished Russian Doll which was good but I thought the ending as in how they got out of it was a bit twee. Also watched After life - really good but I can't for the life of me think how/why a second series will work/is needed (apart from a shed load of money obviously).

She's the epitome of that type of home counties, blue rinse tories - vile woman.

I read something about how Robert Peel as PM stopped the Corn laws being passed as he thought it was for the good of the country and that cast the tories out of power for about 20 odd years. Can't see that happening now. I can see this shit show going on as well as there could be swings between pro EU Labour/others (post-Corbyn) and anti-eu tories/others for years to come.

I don't think David Miiband would have won in 2015. He had the Iraq/Blair legacy and the tories would have attacked his part in the crash (bollocks but would have played well). I'd add that if you think 1.6 million votes would have swung on a fuller remainer when the remain campaign as a whole was shite, you're dreaming.

I still love the idea that if Corbyn had been full on remain, parliamentary numbers would have allowed him to not "enable brexit". There has never been nor ever will be a majority for a revocation, soft Brexit, second ref or any other "unicorn" ideas you come up with. But keep saying it's his fault.