NJS

Well the alternative is Farage and/or Johnson.

As I said if he tried anything they could just vote against it anyway. If a GE followed the current polls then the libs would have no choice but to join with Labour anyway if they wanted a second ref.

I understand the idea of the lib dems seeing themselves as power brokers and I generally support pr but one thing I really disliked about the 2010 thing was Clegg dictating to Labour that Brown had to go. I think the power broker role shouldn't extend to dictating other parties leaders and that applies here. They might think Corbyn can't be trusted which I can understand to some extent but as Gem says, that shouldn't mean an out of hand rejection. Just talk ffs.

So the opponents just ignore "strictly time limited". Even if he wanted to do something "stupid" like nationalise something or cancel trident, it would still need a vote which they could just oppose. What's Swinsons route to stopping no deal or getting another ref? - Yvette Cooper undermining her party - is there a majority of Labour MPs for that? If there's a GE does with no majority does she think she'll get a second ref out of Johnson?

Claims he had a knock. The stupidity was 4 defenders on the bench but that was supposedly because Dummet and Lascelles weren't 100%. Yes, we're back to playing unfit players a la fucking Pardew.

We were alright in the first half - a lot last year, not creating much but certainly giving them a game. Have to say they weren't that good though. The shambles started when the fraud took shelvey off and put Wilhems on, from then on we were a fucking shambles with no fucker knowing where they were supposed to be. The second sub just added to the chaos.

Chucking on the left back to "attack" absolutely screams Pardew.

New players were shit, choice of subs lineup was shit, shape and organisation was shit. All as I expected.

Without sounding like a broken record, I think one of the worst things the Blair government did was largely ignore housing as they were happy to ride the feel good wave of price rises. I think in terms of long term negative effect on Britain. Thatcher's right to buy was one of her crowning glories.

I love the thread whinging about the Tyne and Tees getting a free port (turns out the stupid cunts didn't apply) where the first reply reckons it's to do with whose side they were on in the fucking civil war

Ah, thought he'd signed.

So that's Lazaar and that Berecca or whatever we signed in January written off?

Theres a mentality of it being a chance to "put things right" against a fenian club unfortunately - and pre-season always increases the fuckwit factor anyway.

It's all Been a con so he could increase his stake on the cheap.

Looks like we're back to signing players to pander to certain agents which always worked so well in the past.

I'd say if he resigned (very unlikely but maybe he could be persuaded) the only likely centrist who could win the leadership would be Watson who I don't think is that appealing. I'm not quite sure where Starmer fits but I'd take him at the moment. Wanting to retain the bulk of the manifesto being the priority for me (plus stronger remain position obviously).

There are still some who think we'll be better off in the long run sadly. I think the majority are in the "just let it be over* camp not realising even if we come out "smoothly" there'll be another couple of years of shite.

I know I'm going to sound ludicrously naive but we could really do with someone banging all their heads together with a stated aim of what's best for the country right now and sort everything else later. I'd even take the fucking queen doing it.

Theres no way enough peoplr feel strongly enough for places in the north east to not elect labour MPs - might not be enough to form a government but the idea of an LD government in their own right is unlikely. Again despite the muddled position, the only realistic path to another ref is via Labour - a GE is actually more likely if Johnson does something stupid even for him.

POssibly true but if there's a GE tomorrow and all the remain before anything else vote LD or green and the tories/Farage win as a result then all they'll have done is ensure a hard brexit. If its a minority govenment then their only chance of another vote will be labour as I'll bet the tories atill won't go for it - if they're in pact with Farage then they can't.

How many times do I have to mention parliamentary arithmetic? There is no big red button to stop brexit or have another ref - how many times does it have to be voted down for you to realise this? There is no way to get a GE without Johnson calling it - as I said tories might be cunts but theres no way they will shoot themselves by bringing down a government.

It's an EDM from what I've read rather than a full vote call - no obligation for any of the fuckers to vote.

What happened with the last one? - the liberals went on for weeks saying Labour should call one, eventually they did and it failed and straight away Cable said they wouldn't waste any more time taking part in them. Now there's a new tory leader for them to rally around and theyre off again playing games. Anyway Swinson falls firmly in the "rather have a tory government than a Corbyn led labour one" camp.

IT's a fucking trap by that bitch man, if the cunts rallied around May, there's no way a confidence vote will pass before he's even met anyone in the EU or laid out a "plan".

Not a record but I remember being underwhelmed to fuck watching Guivarch at the 98 World Cup.