NJS

I think he could have done better but I understand some of his views being shaped by leave area votes which I think as "metropolitan" remainers we underestimate. Going full on remain/second vote/very soft brexit would have come at a cost - look at how the lib dems were wiped out at the GE and their current standing as evidence. As I also keep saying, I think there seems to be a simple misunderstanding of parliamentary maths.

He's not alone in not wanting a second vote - as I've said on here the assumed result is not a given once a new campaign gets under way. Also have a look at how Cooper campaigned on a respect the result/end fom platform at the 2017 GE.

Jo Johnson voted for none of the "decent" amendments. When it comes to the ones that matter they fall in line.

The softer version of brexit which is official labour policy you mean?

Yeah tory MPs would have voted for a second vote if he'd banged on about it a bit. Right.

No large support for even extending the deadline let alone any kind of remain-ish proposition.

I'd add that the idea of a second vote is beyond dead and would never have passed either.

No, the rebels only voted against her when it didn't matter.

The tories and the dup have a parliamentary majority - they vote along party lines - it wouldn't have mattered one iota who was opposition leader and given the Hoeys of this world there were no amendments that could have been passed.

Might be amusing watching Hepburn explaining himself when Tyne Dock closes after Nissan fuck off.

You cynical bastard. Exactly what I thought.

Chez about Pardew levels of wrong.

Sick as fuck - brilliant

And reduced workers rights - that's his thing.

Would have laughed if he'd broken his leg getting off or something but this is tragic.

Just say for a second they come up with a brilliant plan that solves the NI border problem. Does she then really think there's enough votes to pass her plan? She's fucking mental.

Yes but that should be enough to make the foregone conclusion people wary.

I glanced at some fuckers Express on the train this morning and they had a current remain/leave poll as 53/47. Forty fucking seven.

Her plan B is just going to be plan A isn't it?

I'm the most ant-tory cunt going but that's exactly what I suggested at the time as well. Of course if she hadn't called a GE, she might have been able to get a harder deal through as well.

They all absolutely blasted him for not calling an NC vote after she postponed the vote and are criticising him for calling votes now. Different badge, same cunts.

I think a lot of the cliched northern "protest vote" did include anti-fom sentiment. As for the southern non-metropolitan masses who aren't doing that badly economically, I think there was a lot of little englander take back control nonsense and that does include xenophobia. I don't dispute your figures but it would take some pretty honest polling to clarify leave voters which we aren't going to get.

I agree with you but going back on my point that at least some interpretation of leaver intentions is necessary then I think freedom of movement is a huge factor - again it's a pisser but I do think May was "right" to emphasise that as I think it was broadly a "demand".

I think they hope they can keep the chaos going so we crash out on the 29th with no deal. I caught Mogg yesterday or the day before saying the people didn't vote for a deal of any kind, they voted to just leave which to be fair to the cunt is actually the most honest interpretation of the vote I've read - no nuance, just out.

Thought we'd lose and wasn't that bothered but letting a 2-0 lead slip is fucking terrible regardless of opposition.