NJS

Would be good if the "he's never taken a penny out of the club" band of cunts now mention the 60m Strawberry place thing. Don't hold your breaths.

Mine run all my home automation so as well as lights I can do major AV tasks. It's a geek think in the main admittedly.

He probably wasn't Catholic but they believe it at even f the islanders lived perfect lives (minus the murder probably) then they can't enter heaven without knowing about christ. I'm assuming the evangelist believes the same.

Fair point until people realised how much money those other people have and that it would never run out.

You'll be astonished to learn I'm similar to Pablo Iglesias :). Don't know how the fuck they have Macron as anywhere near lefty mind.

Not that it matters but his figure are wrong - it's millions not billions and hundeds of jobs not thousands.

May's racist rhetoric is aimed at the tory base - mainly old, mainly southern. Theres nothing that will change their minds apart from death.

He's obviously spent his entire life lying and making shit up on a daily basis and has no idea that the president shouldn't do it and will get found out. Not that being called out bothers him or affects him of course.

There was a run of classic Simpsons on last weekend including the one where Homer is elected Union rep and because he's scared of sounding stupid, he keeps his mouth shut during talks. Mr Burns thinks this makes Homer a negotiating genius who holds all the cards so panics and offers him a great deal. That's how I imagine Scudamore negotiating with Sky.

Surely people have now realised these great trade deals are a myth? Even wto is a minefield.

I always thought writing people off as evil when they're ten was a bit extreme. Not saying they didn't know what they did was wrong or anything like that but still.

I sort of agree with that but it doesn't suit either end of the spectrum - you could argue a middle ground compromise makes sense but the divide is too fractious for that to be accepted.

That's exactly what I was saying a couple of days ago - I think a lot of the "leavers were stupid" school of pv advocates have still not acknowledged why people voted and suggested action (I don't think leavers were right but I understand some of the underlying attitudes).

Maybe "scares" is the wrong word but as I've said, I think those assuming its outcome are taking it too much for granted.

I've heard/read several "we used to rule seas" type statements from leavers since the ref - hence the remark about wanting to return not to the 1950s but to the 1590s.

They are but still substantial. It seems to be a cities versus rural split generally. I see Clinton is thinking of running again - that'll ensure he wins again.

Never been a huge fan of Gordon Brown but he seems to have talked a lot of sense today.

I've heard people going on about fighting for freedom and what would have happened if Germany had "won". Considering the vague reasons for the war in the first place I think if there had been an agreed ceasefire at any point without a winner as many wars have finished I think the world would actually be a better place. I don't think the Nazis would have arisen but for the punitive reparations imposed in "defeat".

I was possibly reading too much into Barnier's "just say the word" rhetoric about revocation. I'm unsure about the second vote because another campaign would be divisive again and I'm not sure the result would be as clearcut as we on the sensible side hope which wouldn't bring any sense of closure. It does make sense but I think the sense of superiority and attitude of the supporters is very unhelpful.

I don't think you're to blame at all. That's definitely Cameron and the swivel eyed tories plus Murdoch and Dacre. I also agree the harder end of the spectrum are ignoring the remain voters but that's par for course given they're cunts anyway.

Legally article 50 can be revoked, politically its a non-starter.

40 years of at best centrism suggests you're wrong.

I meant that in the sense you give the impression of wanting to stick two fingers up to all the leavers to the greatest extent. I also think Norway or some form of it is the best way forward now.

I'm all for calling out the stupidity of most leave voters as I've said before but ultra remainers like Renton completely ignore the fact that millions haven't changed their minds and won't. If they get their ideal where a centrist Labour party emerges with a soft brexit then none of the reasons all of those people in disaffected towns outside london will be addressed and worse than that they will hate "the elite" who made up a lot of their reasoning even more. I'm not saying that would lead to anything as bad as Trump but at best millions would feel disengaged with democracy altogether.

I still don't see what he can do without the votes in parliament - so called heroes like Soubry have never voted against the government. I'd love to know what youd want him to do or I suppose a replacement - how would Cooper stop brexit without the votes?