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As an employer I would rather hire an A level student on less money who is keen to learn than a know it all uni grad who knows next to nowt.

 

Presumably, though, you'd still rather hire a uni grad who's keen to learn than an A level student who knows nowt? Or do you really think that a university education makes everyone dumber and a worse human being to boot?

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you're forgetting the catch 22 of how he gets in to get his experience with just cert/exams under his belt as opposed to going in under a postgrad recruitment programme based on his degree and sandwich year alone normally. As well you know (i assume) the exams are pretty easy to blag and all, multiple choice and basic labs etc.

 

Like i said depends on the area of work, if he was going into development/soft engi then i'd not go near any exams till after i got my foot in the door as a junior/postgrad code monkey.

 

Getting the experience really is the absolute utter pain in the bollocks as far as this industry is concerned

 

I think you are over selling the value of a degree and under selling the value of A levels. The catch 22 well be there for both. As an employer I would rather hire an A level student on less money who is keen to learn than a know it all uni grad who knows next to nowt.

 

fwiw, I do agree placement degree are a definitely the best of both worlds. Just worth giving serious consideration to the alternatives, especially if you arent moving away from home.

 

So basically you are saying University is a waste of time (except for socialising) based on your own preferences and opinions as a small IT company employer and not much else? You can accuse me of nit-picking all you like, but I think this has more to do with you not admitting you were wrong more than anything else. Your description of University graduates as 'know it all uni grad who knows next to nowt' speaks for your own prejudices too.

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As an employer I would rather hire an A level student on less money who is keen to learn than a know it all uni grad who knows next to nowt.

 

Presumably, though, you'd still rather hire a uni grad who's keen to learn than an A level student who knows nowt? Or do you really think that a university education makes everyone dumber and a worse human being to boot?

 

I dont think all grads are like the young ones. :lol:

 

More that neither are really up to working environment without training and the salary of a Uni grad is 20k, whereas a-level are on around 12-15k.

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you're forgetting the catch 22 of how he gets in to get his experience with just cert/exams under his belt as opposed to going in under a postgrad recruitment programme based on his degree and sandwich year alone normally. As well you know (i assume) the exams are pretty easy to blag and all, multiple choice and basic labs etc.

 

Like i said depends on the area of work, if he was going into development/soft engi then i'd not go near any exams till after i got my foot in the door as a junior/postgrad code monkey.

 

Getting the experience really is the absolute utter pain in the bollocks as far as this industry is concerned

 

I think you are over selling the value of a degree and under selling the value of A levels. The catch 22 well be there for both. As an employer I would rather hire an A level student on less money who is keen to learn than a know it all uni grad who knows next to nowt.

 

fwiw, I do agree placement degree are a definitely the best of both worlds. Just worth giving serious consideration to the alternatives, especially if you arent moving away from home.

 

have you tried looking for a job with Alevels and no degree?

 

if you get a levels you HAVE to go to uni, otherwise you are genuinely better off getting into the world of work after your GCSEs, A levels are pratically useless when it comes to getting a job, employers dont want them, youve no degree but youre 18 so training you costs more.

 

Oh c'mon, that's utter bollocks on every level!

 

There's a massive difference between employing a 16 year old with GCSE's and an 18 year with A level. A levels are hard, how can you belittle them.

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you're forgetting the catch 22 of how he gets in to get his experience with just cert/exams under his belt as opposed to going in under a postgrad recruitment programme based on his degree and sandwich year alone normally. As well you know (i assume) the exams are pretty easy to blag and all, multiple choice and basic labs etc.

 

Like i said depends on the area of work, if he was going into development/soft engi then i'd not go near any exams till after i got my foot in the door as a junior/postgrad code monkey.

 

Getting the experience really is the absolute utter pain in the bollocks as far as this industry is concerned

 

I think you are over selling the value of a degree and under selling the value of A levels. The catch 22 well be there for both. As an employer I would rather hire an A level student on less money who is keen to learn than a know it all uni grad who knows next to nowt.

 

fwiw, I do agree placement degree are a definitely the best of both worlds. Just worth giving serious consideration to the alternatives, especially if you arent moving away from home.

 

So basically you are saying University is a waste of time (except for socialising) based on your own preferences and opinions as a small IT company employer and not much else? You can accuse me of nit-picking all you like, but I think this has more to do with you not admitting you were wrong more than anything else. Your description of University graduates as 'know it all uni grad who knows next to nowt' speaks for your own prejudices too.

 

What was the phrase you used in the politic thread, strawman?

 

I said life experience, like;

> managing your own budget

> having your own place

> paying bills

> buying and using living items (food, washing powder etc)

> realising the trade off between work/play

 

All these and more help build you as a person and cant be realised if you stay at home.

 

Obviously there are merits to going to Uni, i just said if you are doing a course like IT (or i'll add HR, Accounts) there are other qualifications you can sit.

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For what its worth if you want a really good career in IT then academically the best subject you could do by a billion miles is maths.

 

There's a huge demand for analytical modelling and shit like that in finance - if you go as far as getting an MSc or a PHD and combine it with a decent standard of general computing you can easily earn 100k+

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Take all the drugs you can

Fuck all the girls you can

Do all the "zany" shit you can

 

Do that in 1st year, balance it in 2nd year and work your bollocks off in 3rd.

 

That's my advice, which is not to say that it's what I did, it's just what I should have done.

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Got mine today.

 

Physics A*

Chemistry A

French A*

German A*

 

Mega pissed off about not getting an A* in Chemistry

 

Go fuck yourself before i rape you and your family up the arse and leave your anal rings bleeding.

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For what its worth if you want a really good career in IT then academically the best subject you could do by a billion miles is maths.

 

There's a huge demand for analytical modelling and shit like that in finance - if you go as far as getting an MSc or a PHD and combine it with a decent standard of general computing you can easily earn 100k+

 

:lol: I did maths and I've worked in IT for ten year and I'm not on 6 figures. Why didn't I try harder? :lol:

 

I did my A-level 15 years ago....and even then they were no preperation whatsoever for my degree which was on a whole other level. You need to be able to think at university, you just need to regurgitate for A-levels.

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you're forgetting the catch 22 of how he gets in to get his experience with just cert/exams under his belt as opposed to going in under a postgrad recruitment programme based on his degree and sandwich year alone normally. As well you know (i assume) the exams are pretty easy to blag and all, multiple choice and basic labs etc.

 

Like i said depends on the area of work, if he was going into development/soft engi then i'd not go near any exams till after i got my foot in the door as a junior/postgrad code monkey.

 

Getting the experience really is the absolute utter pain in the bollocks as far as this industry is concerned

 

I think you are over selling the value of a degree and under selling the value of A levels. The catch 22 well be there for both. As an employer I would rather hire an A level student on less money who is keen to learn than a know it all uni grad who knows next to nowt.

 

fwiw, I do agree placement degree are a definitely the best of both worlds. Just worth giving serious consideration to the alternatives, especially if you arent moving away from home.

 

have you tried looking for a job with Alevels and no degree?

 

if you get a levels you HAVE to go to uni, otherwise you are genuinely better off getting into the world of work after your GCSEs, A levels are pratically useless when it comes to getting a job, employers dont want them, youve no degree but youre 18 so training you costs more.

 

Oh c'mon, that's utter bollocks on every level!

 

There's a massive difference between employing a 16 year old with GCSE's and an 18 year with A level. A levels are hard, how can you belittle them.

 

HF has said it well just there ^ A levels aren't hard they're a memory test with some easy coursework thrown in they need you to do some work which makes them harder than GCSEs but you don't need to be able to think

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Got mine today.

 

Physics A*

Chemistry A

French A*

German A*

 

Mega pissed off about not getting an A* in Chemistry

 

Evidence?

none required, A* doesn't exist at A level

are you sure?

 

I advise you look in to that

 

well I'll be damned, Im only 22 and theyve changed the grading system since I did mine.

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