Ashley's Transfer History thread

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

Really why do people who have been around a while still persist in trying to have a reasonable discussion with Leazes. You know he doesnt want to have one, will not consider your point of view and will not even attempt to discuss the issue you want to discuss.

 

When all else fails he will simply add you to his back collection like he is currently doing with Dr Gloom.

 

Its almost like grooming. Its hard to resist but do try, for your own sanity.

 

I'm bucking the trend then

 

I dont mind, I can have a reasonable discussion with him. Dont agree on a lot of things but I'd not say he's been unreasonable. I tend to think that some here think you are either 100% behind Ashley which means you have to be 100% against Shepherd or visa versa. I'd rather look at facts and some things sway me one way and some things the other. It's not as clear cut as saying one was better one was worse on every subject.

Thats my biggest problem with LM, he wont admit any wrongs under Shepherd/Halls

[Christmas Tree 3997]

Really why do people who have been around a while still persist in trying to have a reasonable discussion with Leazes. You know he doesnt want to have one, will not consider your point of view and will not even attempt to discuss the issue you want to discuss.

 

When all else fails he will simply add you to his back collection like he is currently doing with Dr Gloom.

 

Its almost like grooming. Its hard to resist but do try, for your own sanity.

 

I'm bucking the trend then

 

I dont mind, I can have a reasonable discussion with him. Dont agree on a lot of things but I'd not say he's been unreasonable. I tend to think that some here think you are either 100% behind Ashley which means you have to be 100% against Shepherd or visa versa. I'd rather look at facts and some things sway me one way and some things the other. It's not as clear cut as saying one was better one was worse on every subject.

 

Must have been in general chat

 

Seriously I have watch him argue with everyone from Ginge to Manc Mag to Chez to whoever and it is always the same war cry. He ignores proper discussion and reverts to all the one line statements that we all know too well.

 

If he is really pushed on a point to ignores it and reverts to the Gloom was wrong and now they follow......bla bla bla.

 

Try pinning him down on what would be a reasonable finish next year....Those sort of normal questions.

 

I totally agree with your Ashley / Shepherd statement as well. The way Leazes goes on its as though he thinks none of us enjoyed the ride under Keegan and co.

 

I do however think that the sensible ones like me, you chez etc are a dying breed. Too many just want to snipe or wum.

 

In fairness and apart from the usual candidates wheeling out the usual line, I have read some very good posts over the last few days. However such is the bitchiness of this place lately, I think some of these more moderate posters are put off posting more regularly. Which is a shame.

[Guest alex]

Irony.

[LeazesMag 0]

Really why do people who have been around a while still persist in trying to have a reasonable discussion with Leazes. You know he doesnt want to have one, will not consider your point of view and will not even attempt to discuss the issue you want to discuss.

 

When all else fails he will simply add you to his back collection like he is currently doing with Dr Gloom.

 

Its almost like grooming. Its hard to resist but do try, for your own sanity.

 

I'm bucking the trend then

 

I dont mind, I can have a reasonable discussion with him. Dont agree on a lot of things but I'd not say he's been unreasonable. I tend to think that some here think you are either 100% behind Ashley which means you have to be 100% against Shepherd or visa versa. I'd rather look at facts and some things sway me one way and some things the other. It's not as clear cut as saying one was better one was worse on every subject.

Thats my biggest problem with LM, he wont admit any wrongs under Shepherd/Halls

 

your problem is you've only been on this message board as long as you've supported Newcastle United.

[Gemmill 34464]

Really why do people who have been around a while still persist in trying to have a reasonable discussion with Leazes. You know he doesnt want to have one, will not consider your point of view and will not even attempt to discuss the issue you want to discuss.

 

When all else fails he will simply add you to his back collection like he is currently doing with Dr Gloom.

 

Its almost like grooming. Its hard to resist but do try, for your own sanity.

 

Despite his many faults, I've got a lot more time for Leazes than for you. I suspect I'm not alone in that.

[LeazesMag 0]

Really why do people who have been around a while still persist in trying to have a reasonable discussion with Leazes. You know he doesnt want to have one, will not consider your point of view and will not even attempt to discuss the issue you want to discuss.

 

When all else fails he will simply add you to his back collection like he is currently doing with Dr Gloom.

 

Its almost like grooming. Its hard to resist but do try, for your own sanity.

 

its difficult when you know you are right and some idiots only have a wild speculative deluded view of the current regime and the future.

[LeazesMag 0]

Really why do people who have been around a while still persist in trying to have a reasonable discussion with Leazes. You know he doesnt want to have one, will not consider your point of view and will not even attempt to discuss the issue you want to discuss.

 

When all else fails he will simply add you to his back collection like he is currently doing with Dr Gloom.

 

Its almost like grooming. Its hard to resist but do try, for your own sanity.

 

Despite his many faults, I've got a lot more time for Leazes than for you. I suspect I'm not alone in that.

 

[LeazesMag 0]

Not sure why Toonpack was trying to defend CT when the point was clear. Typical of the fickle nature of this board of late that everyone's trying to get the one up on someone else over even the most trivial of thing.

 

T'was simply a "point of order", Alex and I snipe quite a lot, all in good fun, it was far from being a defence of CT per se and pedantry is fun.

 

Since I have ignored LM I haven't quite completely recalibrated down the sensitivity of my "making things up" radar/defences.

 

 

Good Answer.

 

CT, you really haven't said a lot in that post. Do you think the sale of Nolan is a good one? Do you honestly think that Cabaye was signed to replace Nolan... or was Nolan's sale opportunistic because the club was able to force West Ham to offer what they felt was an acceptable figure?

 

If Nolan had signed the contract that Simon Bird talks about would you have seen it as a good thing?

 

Do you think the three players you have idnetified (Jonas, Shola & Lovenkrands) should be sold to facilitate their replacements, or do you think the 35M for Carroll shuold be enough to replace them whilst keeping them for depth?

 

I think it was a pretty clear answer.

 

In an ideal world you would just add to the squad should answer your questions on Nolan but in the real world NUFC are not going to pay him big bucks to as Chez puts it, possible not even make the bench.

 

Would have been excellent if Barton (my player of the season ) and Nolan had signed in January. They chose not to.

 

Re your last paragraph, unless you have your head in the sand its pretty obvious there is a hell of lot going on at St James with regard to replacing these three.

 

"in the real world" - Mike Ashley is running a club sowing the seeds of decline, competing at the levels of Bolton and Blackburn, to make a profit, with no ambition, and will sell any player to make a profit rather than speculate on reaching the Champions League to make a profit, as you have been told for ages now.

 

This is the bottom line.

Leazes, what would you do in the next season or two to challenge for the champions league places?

 

keep my best players and try to strengthen the first 11 ?

 

Is this difficult ?

 

[ChezGiven 0]

So by signing Cabaye and Ba, we've just done that. Pay attention.

[LeazesMag 0]

So by signing Cabaye and Ba, we've just done that. Pay attention.

 

kept our best players ?

 

How good are these 2 players ? People like CT were wanking over Routledge man. How long will we keep those 2 guys if they do well ? That isn't the way forward Chez.

[Toonpack 6865]

Not sure why Toonpack was trying to defend CT when the point was clear. Typical of the fickle nature of this board of late that everyone's trying to get the one up on someone else over even the most trivial of thing.

 

T'was simply a "point of order", Alex and I snipe quite a lot, all in good fun, it was far from being a defence of CT per se and pedantry is fun.

 

Since I have ignored LM I haven't quite completely recalibrated down the sensitivity of my "making things up" radar/defences.

 

 

you ignore me because you quite simply don't have a leg to stand on.

The more he ignores you, the closer you get.

 

I'm not even going to pretend I comprehend what that means.

 

As for the quoted ignored ignoramus

[Christmas Tree 3997]

Really why do people who have been around a while still persist in trying to have a reasonable discussion with Leazes. You know he doesnt want to have one, will not consider your point of view and will not even attempt to discuss the issue you want to discuss.

 

When all else fails he will simply add you to his back collection like he is currently doing with Dr Gloom.

 

Its almost like grooming. Its hard to resist but do try, for your own sanity.

 

Despite his many faults, I've got a lot more time for Leazes than for you. I suspect I'm not alone in that.

 

 

Yawn yawn, whatever gym boy...Trot on.

[Guest alex]

Not sure why Toonpack was trying to defend CT when the point was clear. Typical of the fickle nature of this board of late that everyone's trying to get the one up on someone else over even the most trivial of thing.

 

T'was simply a "point of order", Alex and I snipe quite a lot, all in good fun, it was far from being a defence of CT per se and pedantry is fun.

 

Since I have ignored LM I haven't quite completely recalibrated down the sensitivity of my "making things up" radar/defences.

 

 

you ignore me because you quite simply don't have a leg to stand on.

The more he ignores you, the closer you get.

 

I'm not even going to pretend I comprehend what that means.

 

As for the quoted ignored ignoramus

It's a Morrissey lyric (almost). I know how much you both like him / The Smiths

[LeazesMag 0]

Not sure why Toonpack was trying to defend CT when the point was clear. Typical of the fickle nature of this board of late that everyone's trying to get the one up on someone else over even the most trivial of thing.

 

T'was simply a "point of order", Alex and I snipe quite a lot, all in good fun, it was far from being a defence of CT per se and pedantry is fun.

 

Since I have ignored LM I haven't quite completely recalibrated down the sensitivity of my "making things up" radar/defences.

 

 

you ignore me because you quite simply don't have a leg to stand on.

The more he ignores you, the closer you get.

 

I'm not even going to pretend I comprehend what that means.

 

As for the quoted ignored ignoramus

 

your ignorance is bliss....until September 1st.

[ChezGiven 0]

So by signing Cabaye and Ba, we've just done that. Pay attention.

 

kept our best players ?

 

How good are these 2 players ? People like CT were wanking over Routledge man. How long will we keep those 2 guys if they do well ? That isn't the way forward Chez.

 

With Nolan we had a player who was versatile enough to play in attack or midfield but had limited athleticism and could not play a proper striker's role. He's been replaced by 2 players who potentially address these weaknesses so the starting 11 may have been strengthened.

 

Better players than Nolan in current first team: Barton, Tiote, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Colo, Enrique, (Ba?). Two of them could leave though so that would seriously weaken the starting 11. Its early days but Nolan out, Cabaye, Ba in is potentially an improvement.

 

Everything is uncertain until they line up next season.

[LeazesMag 0]

So by signing Cabaye and Ba, we've just done that. Pay attention.

 

kept our best players ?

 

How good are these 2 players ? People like CT were wanking over Routledge man. How long will we keep those 2 guys if they do well ? That isn't the way forward Chez.

 

With Nolan we had a player who was versatile enough to play in attack or midfield but had limited athleticism and could not play a proper striker's role. He's been replaced by 2 players who potentially address these weaknesses so the starting 11 may have been strengthened.

 

Better players than Nolan in current first team: Barton, Tiote, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Colo, Enrique, (Ba?). Two of them could leave though so that would seriously weaken the starting 11. Its early days but Nolan out, Cabaye, Ba in is potentially an improvement.

 

Everything is uncertain until they line up next season.

 

he asked me how I would push forward "towards the champions league". While I concede the Champions League is a bit too much for next season, genuine progress is only obtained by keeping your best players and allowing the manager to build on what he has with better players "in his opinion" as much as possible. Its quite clear this is not happening, he is not being allowed to keep the players he wants to keep and he is not being allocated even the funds from the sales to replace them the way he likes, never mind a normal budget on top of that in tune with a club of the standing of NUFC, or what they should have, or what they used to have.

 

It's that simple Chez. He asked, I replied. You can dress it up as much as you like, but what I have said is what all the ambitious and other successful clubs do. There is no reason Alan Pardew couldn't have brought in players while keeping Nolan for the next 2 years or so, and eased him out in his own time, it is obvious this is what he wanted to do so this is what ought to have happened.

 

Who is next to leave that he wants to keep ?

Edited June 16, 2011 by LeazesMag

[Guest alex]

I love Lezzes. I mean Leazes.

[AgentAxeman 82]

I love Lezzes. I mean Leazes.

 

 

I love watching Lezza's

[Barney 0]

So by signing Cabaye and Ba, we've just done that. Pay attention.

 

kept our best players ?

 

How good are these 2 players ? People like CT were wanking over Routledge man. How long will we keep those 2 guys if they do well ? That isn't the way forward Chez.

 

With Nolan we had a player who was versatile enough to play in attack or midfield but had limited athleticism and could not play a proper striker's role. He's been replaced by 2 players who potentially address these weaknesses so the starting 11 may have been strengthened.

 

Better players than Nolan in current first team: Barton, Tiote, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Colo, Enrique, (Ba?). Two of them could leave though so that would seriously weaken the starting 11. Its early days but Nolan out, Cabaye, Ba in is potentially an improvement.

 

Everything is uncertain until they line up next season.

 

he asked me how I would push forward "towards the champions league". While I concede the Champions League is a bit too much for next season, genuine progress is only obtained by keeping your best players and allowing the manager to build on what he has with better players "in his opinion" as much as possible. Its quite clear this is not happening, he is not being allowed to keep the players he wants to keep and he is not being allocated even the funds from the sales to replace them the way he likes, never mind a normal budget on top of that in tune with a club of the standing of NUFC, or what they should have, or what they used to have.

 

It's that simple Chez. He asked, I replied. You can dress it up as much as you like, but what I have said is what all the ambitious and other successful clubs do. There is no reason Alan Pardew couldn't have brought in players while keeping Nolan for the next 2 years or so, and eased him out in his own time, it is obvious this is what he wanted to do so this is what ought to have happened.

 

Who is next to leave that he wants to keep ?

 

Key point. As.com say, it seems the managers decisions/preferences aren't being 100% backed.

[LeazesMag 0]

I love Lezzes. I mean Leazes.

 

just keep quoting me

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

Not sure why Toonpack was trying to defend CT when the point was clear. Typical of the fickle nature of this board of late that everyone's trying to get the one up on someone else over even the most trivial of thing.

 

T'was simply a "point of order", Alex and I snipe quite a lot, all in good fun, it was far from being a defence of CT per se and pedantry is fun.

 

Since I have ignored LM I haven't quite completely recalibrated down the sensitivity of my "making things up" radar/defences.

 

 

Good Answer.

 

CT, you really haven't said a lot in that post. Do you think the sale of Nolan is a good one? Do you honestly think that Cabaye was signed to replace Nolan... or was Nolan's sale opportunistic because the club was able to force West Ham to offer what they felt was an acceptable figure?

 

If Nolan had signed the contract that Simon Bird talks about would you have seen it as a good thing?

 

Do you think the three players you have idnetified (Jonas, Shola & Lovenkrands) should be sold to facilitate their replacements, or do you think the 35M for Carroll shuold be enough to replace them whilst keeping them for depth?

 

I think it was a pretty clear answer.

 

In an ideal world you would just add to the squad should answer your questions on Nolan but in the real world NUFC are not going to pay him big bucks to as Chez puts it, possible not even make the bench.

 

Would have been excellent if Barton (my player of the season ) and Nolan had signed in January. They chose not to.

 

Re your last paragraph, unless you have your head in the sand its pretty obvious there is a hell of lot going on at St James with regard to replacing these three.

 

"in the real world" - Mike Ashley is running a club sowing the seeds of decline, competing at the levels of Bolton and Blackburn, to make a profit, with no ambition, and will sell any player to make a profit rather than speculate on reaching the Champions League to make a profit, as you have been told for ages now.

 

This is the bottom line.

Leazes, what would you do in the next season or two to challenge for the champions league places?

 

keep my best players and try to strengthen the first 11 ?

 

Is this difficult ?

 

How would you finance it then?

Keeping 29 year old players and offering 5 yr deals at 50k per week? Good business?

Please just state HOW you would do it

 

Thanks

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

So by signing Cabaye and Ba, we've just done that. Pay attention.

 

kept our best players ?

 

How good are these 2 players ? People like CT were wanking over Routledge man. How long will we keep those 2 guys if they do well ? That isn't the way forward Chez.

 

With Nolan we had a player who was versatile enough to play in attack or midfield but had limited athleticism and could not play a proper striker's role. He's been replaced by 2 players who potentially address these weaknesses so the starting 11 may have been strengthened.

 

Better players than Nolan in current first team: Barton, Tiote, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Colo, Enrique, (Ba?). Two of them could leave though so that would seriously weaken the starting 11. Its early days but Nolan out, Cabaye, Ba in is potentially an improvement.

 

Everything is uncertain until they line up next season.

 

he asked me how I would push forward "towards the champions league". While I concede the Champions League is a bit too much for next season, genuine progress is only obtained by keeping your best players and allowing the manager to build on what he has with better players "in his opinion" as much as possible. Its quite clear this is not happening, he is not being allowed to keep the players he wants to keep and he is not being allocated even the funds from the sales to replace them the way he likes, never mind a normal budget on top of that in tune with a club of the standing of NUFC, or what they should have, or what they used to have.

 

It's that simple Chez. He asked, I replied. You can dress it up as much as you like, but what I have said is what all the ambitious and other successful clubs do. There is no reason Alan Pardew couldn't have brought in players while keeping Nolan for the next 2 years or so, and eased him out in his own time, it is obvious this is what he wanted to do so this is what ought to have happened.

 

Who is next to leave that he wants to keep ?

How would you ease him out when he's sitting on a lucrative contract? Bit like Smith really. It's obvious what Nolan wanted and rightly so he didn't get it here

[LeazesMag 0]

Not sure why Toonpack was trying to defend CT when the point was clear. Typical of the fickle nature of this board of late that everyone's trying to get the one up on someone else over even the most trivial of thing.

 

T'was simply a "point of order", Alex and I snipe quite a lot, all in good fun, it was far from being a defence of CT per se and pedantry is fun.

 

Since I have ignored LM I haven't quite completely recalibrated down the sensitivity of my "making things up" radar/defences.

 

 

Good Answer.

 

CT, you really haven't said a lot in that post. Do you think the sale of Nolan is a good one? Do you honestly think that Cabaye was signed to replace Nolan... or was Nolan's sale opportunistic because the club was able to force West Ham to offer what they felt was an acceptable figure?

 

If Nolan had signed the contract that Simon Bird talks about would you have seen it as a good thing?

 

Do you think the three players you have idnetified (Jonas, Shola & Lovenkrands) should be sold to facilitate their replacements, or do you think the 35M for Carroll shuold be enough to replace them whilst keeping them for depth?

 

I think it was a pretty clear answer.

 

In an ideal world you would just add to the squad should answer your questions on Nolan but in the real world NUFC are not going to pay him big bucks to as Chez puts it, possible not even make the bench.

 

Would have been excellent if Barton (my player of the season ) and Nolan had signed in January. They chose not to.

 

Re your last paragraph, unless you have your head in the sand its pretty obvious there is a hell of lot going on at St James with regard to replacing these three.

 

"in the real world" - Mike Ashley is running a club sowing the seeds of decline, competing at the levels of Bolton and Blackburn, to make a profit, with no ambition, and will sell any player to make a profit rather than speculate on reaching the Champions League to make a profit, as you have been told for ages now.

 

This is the bottom line.

Leazes, what would you do in the next season or two to challenge for the champions league places?

 

keep my best players and try to strengthen the first 11 ?

 

Is this difficult ?

 

How would you finance it then?

Keeping 29 year old players and offering 5 yr deals at 50k per week? Good business?

Please just state HOW you would do it

 

Thanks

 

I'm telling you how its done, NUFC aren't a small club like Bolton and Blackburn, the Halls and Shepherd found a way to do it so I'm sure that a whizz kid like Mike Ashley can do the same, however he has lost revenues ie sponsors, shirt sales, ticket sales etc, what sort of financial whizz kid runs a company and loses revenues ?

 

If you think its OK for a player to find West Ham more attractive than NUFC, then it confirms my feeling that you know fuck all about NUFC.

 

You don't do it by selling your best players and keeping the cash.

 

The next time you want some advice lad, don't bother asking me, I've told you how we did it when we were in the Champions League and how others do it.

 

Now run along and play on championship manager or marbles with your mates.

Edited June 16, 2011 by LeazesMag

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

Leazes, you would have given Nolan a 50k a week 5 year deal??

[ChezGiven 0]

Leazes, you would have given Nolan a 50k a week 5 year deal??

West Ham are desperate enough to pay him that because they have to come back at the first attempt. Otherwise their Olympic dream is fucked.