Kid Dynamite 6097 Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 We have a horrendous record with Strikers tbf Just off the top of my head: Tommason Guivarch Maric Ketsbaia Best Owen Ferguson Luque Cordone Best Lovenkrands Kluivert Cort Makes you glad we got to see the likes of Shearer, Ferdinand and Bellamy play at St James. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 (edited) Did Best have his way with your mrs or something? edit; You listed Ketsbaia too. Say no more. Edited April 17, 2011 by Tecato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Did Best have his way with your mrs or something? edit; You listed Ketsbaia too. Say no more. I don't think Ketsbaia was Newcastle class personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 5074 Posted April 17, 2011 Author Share Posted April 17, 2011 Ketsbaia has this cult following but he was generally poor. He looks good on You Tube but wasn't good enough for us at the time. He'd probably get in the current team though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6321 Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Bad luck more than a bad signing. If he'd played 150 games he'd have got 70/80 goals. Don't know how ya work that one out he played pretty much 50% of that number and got nowhere near 40goals feck sake took him 8 years at liverpool at his peak to get <120 goals. Over rated, always was always will be, #of times 20goals+ in the league = 0 #of times 30goals+ in all comp = 0 Scored 30 goals in 65 appearances for us. On that stat I'm prepared to agree with Chez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6321 Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 I think he made his career as a poor mans Gary Lineker Not tremendously well known but FFS tried to persuade Lineker to postpone his retirement and join us from Grampus 8 in the summer of 1994. Failed to do so but it'd have had us in a position where we'd have had Beardsley and Lineker in the same side. Not sure what the intention was with Andy Cole like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney 0 Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 1 start for Owen in the league and 6 sub outings. Looks like ManUtd will win the league, but Owen won't ever win a league winners medal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6097 Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Did Best have his way with your mrs or something? edit; You listed Ketsbaia too. Say no more. He scored 8 goals in 78 games. Say no more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Tbf to him he wasn't really a striker and made lots of sub appearances so those stats would be misleading anyway. I'm pretty sure they're wrong in any case though, I'm put money on him having scored more than 8 goals for us. Prehaps he scored 8 league in his time here. He wasn't a great player but he scored some important goals and Dalglish never seemed to give him a fair crack of the whip despite signing him. I think that perhaps he is harshly judged by some because he arrived at a time when the likes of Ferdinand and Ginola were peddled by us, i.e. we'd been spoilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 I thought he was shite personally, and maybe we were spoilt but we could have done better imo. Scored a mint goal against Tottenham on a Bank Holiday I remember though. His managerial record is astonishing to be fair to him however. 124 games as manager 9 defeats, and none in 10 with a pishy country like Georgia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6321 Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Ketsbaia Appearances - 57 (+52 as substitute) Goals - 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Must be league stats then. Tbh I'll always have a soft spot for him after the goal against Croatia Zagreb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2188 Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 I never thought Ketsbaia was a striker though? More of an attacking mid perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4016 Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 I never thought Ketsbaia was a striker though? More of an attacking mid perhaps? Definitely a midfielder but Dalglish being Dalglish played him in a sort of Nolan type role on occasion. He was a trier but not that good imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Agreed, I wasn't championing him as a great player as I said, just didn't really think listing him amongst our worst strikers in recent(-ish) years made much sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4016 Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Agreed, I wasn't championing him as a great player as I said, just didn't really think listing him amongst our worst strikers in recent(-ish) years made much sense. Certainly better than Robinson or Dalglish who I don't think were included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Missed Martins off his list too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 We have a horrendous record with Strikers tbf Just off the top of my head: Tommason Guivarch Maric Ketsbaia Best Owen Ferguson Luque Cordone Best Lovenkrands Kluivert Cort Makes you glad we got to see the likes of Shearer, Ferdinand and Bellamy play at St James. Some of those were very well received at the time. Owen is being discussed and is obviously among them. Some people thought Paul Dalglish was OK, and quite a lot of people were more than happy with Ketsbaia. Tomasson went on to play for AC Milan and personally I think if he had played alongside Shearer rather than the ambling waste of space Asprilla who just got on with his own game spending half the time on a different planet, his career here would have gone competely different to what it did. But Ferguson, you are joking right ? He was one of the best strikers in the premiership ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Assume he's on about how he was rarely fit. Agree about JDT as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Assume he's on about how he was rarely fit. Agree about JDT as well. aye, when people do these sort of threads, do they mean they base it on how people performed at Newcastle only. Or the basis on which they were signed ? I despise Asprilla actually. Apart from Barcelona, obviously, and handful of other games, he is everything I hate in professional footballers especially those who have ability and waste it. Uninterested, going through the motions, flash harrys, poor professionalism.....having crowd appeal and playing well one game in about 10 just isn't good enough for me. I know people differ, but for me, if they don't actually perform I have no time for them. I always thought that a young lad like Tomasson, obviously a quiet sort of lad, in a foreign country, at about 19 or 20 years old, playing for a new club in a different league, needed his more experienced strike partner to help him, assist him, give him some leadership, but I watched Asprilla and he just got on with his own game and never bothered with the kid. Disgraceful to be honest. I was really surprised that Dalglish kept him at the club as long as he did and didn't replace him although in the end he brought in Gui'varch who must be the most punchless striker ever to have won a World Cup medal, it would seem France did that with a 10 man team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Assume he's on about how he was rarely fit. Agree about JDT as well. aye, when people do these sort of threads, do they mean they base it on how people performed at Newcastle only. Or the basis on which they were signed ? I despise Asprilla actually. Apart from Barcelona, obviously, and handful of other games, he is everything I hate in professional footballers especially those who have ability and waste it. Uninterested, going through the motions, flash harrys, poor professionalism.....having crowd appeal and playing well one game in about 10 just isn't good enough for me. I know people differ, but for me, if they don't actually perform I have no time for them. I always thought that a young lad like Tomasson, obviously a quiet sort of lad, in a foreign country, at about 19 or 20 years old, playing for a new club in a different league, needed his more experienced strike partner to help him, assist him, give him some leadership, but I watched Asprilla and he just got on with his own game and never bothered with the kid. Disgraceful to be honest. I was really surprised that Dalglish kept him at the club as long as he did and didn't replace him although in the end he brought in Gui'varch who must be the most punchless striker ever to have won a World Cup medal, it would seem France did that with a 10 man team. I know Pedro had a lot of time for Asprilla which suggests (to me at least) that he wasn't just going through the motions. And tbf to him neither him or JDT were exacty suited to playing alongside each other. Asprilla wasn't suited to the PL anyway though imo, especially as it was back then. No coincidence he looked much more comfortable in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Assume he's on about how he was rarely fit. Agree about JDT as well. aye, when people do these sort of threads, do they mean they base it on how people performed at Newcastle only. Or the basis on which they were signed ? I despise Asprilla actually. Apart from Barcelona, obviously, and handful of other games, he is everything I hate in professional footballers especially those who have ability and waste it. Uninterested, going through the motions, flash harrys, poor professionalism.....having crowd appeal and playing well one game in about 10 just isn't good enough for me. I know people differ, but for me, if they don't actually perform I have no time for them. I always thought that a young lad like Tomasson, obviously a quiet sort of lad, in a foreign country, at about 19 or 20 years old, playing for a new club in a different league, needed his more experienced strike partner to help him, assist him, give him some leadership, but I watched Asprilla and he just got on with his own game and never bothered with the kid. Disgraceful to be honest. I was really surprised that Dalglish kept him at the club as long as he did and didn't replace him although in the end he brought in Gui'varch who must be the most punchless striker ever to have won a World Cup medal, it would seem France did that with a 10 man team. I know Pedro had a lot of time for Asprilla which suggests (to me at least) that he wasn't just going through the motions. And tbf to him neither him or JDT were exacty suited to playing alongside each other. Asprilla wasn't suited to the PL anyway though imo, especially as it was back then. No coincidence he looked much more comfortable in Europe. Fair point. Beardsley though - he might be a good bloke, I don't know I've never met him, but he has never said anything even slightly detrimental about anybody, ever. He even took the side of Mike Ashley against his long time ex team mate and manager Keegan [at both club and international level]. If I was Keegan I would have taken great exception to that. He seems like a bit of a teachers pet and a yes man to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Assume he's on about how he was rarely fit. Agree about JDT as well. aye, when people do these sort of threads, do they mean they base it on how people performed at Newcastle only. Or the basis on which they were signed ? I despise Asprilla actually. Apart from Barcelona, obviously, and handful of other games, he is everything I hate in professional footballers especially those who have ability and waste it. Uninterested, going through the motions, flash harrys, poor professionalism.....having crowd appeal and playing well one game in about 10 just isn't good enough for me. I know people differ, but for me, if they don't actually perform I have no time for them. I always thought that a young lad like Tomasson, obviously a quiet sort of lad, in a foreign country, at about 19 or 20 years old, playing for a new club in a different league, needed his more experienced strike partner to help him, assist him, give him some leadership, but I watched Asprilla and he just got on with his own game and never bothered with the kid. Disgraceful to be honest. I was really surprised that Dalglish kept him at the club as long as he did and didn't replace him although in the end he brought in Gui'varch who must be the most punchless striker ever to have won a World Cup medal, it would seem France did that with a 10 man team. I know Pedro had a lot of time for Asprilla which suggests (to me at least) that he wasn't just going through the motions. And tbf to him neither him or JDT were exacty suited to playing alongside each other. Asprilla wasn't suited to the PL anyway though imo, especially as it was back then. No coincidence he looked much more comfortable in Europe. Fair point. Beardsley though - he might be a good bloke, I don't know I've never met him, but he has never said anything even slightly detrimental about anybody, ever. He even took the side of Mike Ashley against his long time ex team mate and manager Keegan [at both club and international level]. If I was Keegan I would have taken great exception to that. He seems like a bit of a teachers pet and a yes man to me. I agree about the last bit and he's gone down in my estimations for that like although this was a bit of ITK from the time, i.e. when they were both here as players. In any case I'd certainly go along with you in that Tino was pretty crap for us domestically, the odd moment of genius aside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6097 Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Firstly it quite clearly states that those were off the top of my head, I didn't claim it was an exhaustive list. Secondly, its nee use saying tomasson went on to be good or Ferguson used to be good before he came to us. Fact is all of those names seriously underperformed at our club and they collectively cost a fortune. Some people on here must have wonky memories. Ketsbaia played as a striker and he was pony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 (edited) Thinking back didn't Ketsbaia get Ginola's squad number? Which probably symbolised the way the team was going under Dalglish. Edited April 18, 2011 by alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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