Guest CabayeAye Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Take a bow, lads! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19885 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Fail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Ill kick this one off then. Dont know where else to put it, this seems a fitting thread. I think we could be doing better with someone else than Good`ol Alan in charge He got a world class striker in and decided to hoy ben arfa on for the lulz, and behold, we start winning matches. It is a mystery! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13883 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Cabayeaye was calling for Pardew's head a few weeks ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Im not calling for his head, we are doing great - but its largely down to the players. I think with a more offensive-minded coach we would be dominating to a much larger degree instead of scraping wins left and right. Dont get me wrong, scrapey 3-points is something Ill take all day long, but its very much due to individual brilliance. I wont take anything away from pardew. Top Job. But I think with a proper coach we could properly ravage like. We have brilliant players! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 How are we scraping wins? You're talking utter nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4242 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 LBT whatever it was that was keeping you from posting, would you mind going back to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Its just my opinion, we are not that good at build-up play, today the game had 0-0 or worse written all over it until Hatem Ben Messi decided enough was enough. Swansea we had what, 20% posession. We rely too much on individual brilliance and need better build-up play. By scraping wins I mean not controlling the game at all, I dont mind it - dont get me wrong. But in a longer perspective we need to work on this too. And its a bit lacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2455 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 And explain what was keeping you from posting to CabayeAye. You never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 LBT whatever it was that was keeping you from posting, would you mind going back to it? Its just an opinion, no need to get worked up over it. Views differ, also on forums, you dont have to convert me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26607 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Surprisingly good season is a surprise shocker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdStephenIreland 74 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Pardew's been the perfect man for the job tbh. Balancing off the field incidents with on the field results. Fergie couldnt have done what Pardew's done in his time here taking all things into consideration. I'm super fucking serious, mother fuckers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 (edited) Its just my opinion, we are not that good at build-up play, today the game had 0-0 or worse written all over it until Hatem Ben Messi decided enough was enough. Swansea we had what, 20% posession. We rely too much on individual brilliance and need better build-up play. By scraping wins I mean not controlling the game at all, I dont mind it - dont get me wrong. But in a longer perspective we need to work on this too. And its a bit lacking. So that's 2 games we've not controlled but have got wins. We've controlled plenty of games prior to them though. We finished with much more than 20% possession for the record at Swansea (IIRC), that was just a stat at one point in the game. Either way we invited their pressure, we invited them to have the ball and pass it sideways because a) we are and were good enough to just catch them on the break, we knew they're pretty poor when they get into the final third and that we could cope with them (hence most of their shots being tame long range efforts) and c) we were able to conserve energy in both that match and for the one after it. Today was a poor, tired performance against a team fighting for their lives who've played well as of late and we had the quality - like all good teams do - to win a game we performed not too impressively in. Feels to me that you're exaggerating a bit, basing your reasoning on a selection of matches but not the entire season thus far. Edited April 9, 2012 by Monroe Transfer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 If its one worry I have had this season it is that we are unable to comfortably control a game for 90 minutes. After the hoofing stopped it has gotten better, but we are still a bit off. Laying low vs swansea is acceptable to an extent, but we need to develop our own dominating way of playing matches, we cant rely on catching every team on the break. Defensively we are sound even with a weak defense, but the link-up and build-up leaves alot to be desired. There are massive improvements to be had in that area, which is encouraging when you think about the fact that we are 5th already. Managers will always polarize opinion, I dont think pardew is the perfect fit for us long-term, but all things into consideration he is perhaps the best we can hope for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Fair enough I guess, and to each their own, but well... who cares - for now - as long as we're winning matches and riding high in the league table. Rather win 2 games 1-0, than win one 6-0 and draw the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Its just my opinion, we are not that good at build-up play, today the game had 0-0 or worse written all over it until Hatem Ben Messi decided enough was enough. Swansea we had what, 20% posession. We rely too much on individual brilliance and need better build-up play. By scraping wins I mean not controlling the game at all, I dont mind it - dont get me wrong. But in a longer perspective we need to work on this too. And its a bit lacking. So that's 2 games we've not controlled but have got wins. We've controlled plenty of games prior to them though. . This I disagree with. we have alot of positives to build on from this season, but controlling matches is not one of them. Getting alot of matches were things looked bleak, that on the other hand... often due to individual brilliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Got to question how much enjoyment you get out of supporting a club tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Fair enough I guess, and to each their own, but well... who cares - for now - as long as we're winning matches and riding high in the league table. Rather win 2 games 1-0, than win one 6-0 and draw the other. Yes but I am not saying I would rather have a win and a draw rather than two 1-0 wins. Ill take any win all day, I am just advocating my view that long-term, keeping posession and dominating play has a tendency to be the recipe most top teams seem to adapt. I struggle to think of a team who has had long-term success ( read: more than one season) by countering other teams... eventually you get found out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Got to question how much enjoyment you get out of supporting a club tbh. Got to question how much enjoyment you get out of supporting a club tbh. why? Because I constantly want us to improve instead of thinking everything is perfect? I see potential improvement in several areas of our game, just calling it as I see it. I dont enjoy it any less, I just have this idea of how I would like us to play ( and what I think would be most successful) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 There have been a few games this season where we've got say a 2 goal lead in the first half and not gone on to score a couple more just to make things comfortable, but I'm not bothered as long as not getting said goals doesn't result in dropped points (Wolves at home being the match that annoyed me most). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SloopJohn 0 Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 One thing I notice is that without Tiote, no one is dropping in to help move the ball out from defence which puts a lot of pressure on our defenders as they don't have as many passing options... Pardew would've learned from today that 4-4-2 is a load of shite and will go back to 4-3-3 for Stoke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 (edited) This thread needs quotes And Team Negative needs a spin off team ultra negative for posters still unhappy with the manner of clawing back 4th who want Pardew sacked and Ba in the reserves for not dancing a jig off the pitch. Edited April 10, 2012 by Happy Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Pardews only problem has been trying to discover his best formation and the best personnel to play that system. Without doubt IMO our best formation is 433 and we play it best and control games when Tiote Cabaye and Guthrie are the middle three. It's that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Pardews only problem has been trying to discover his best formation and the best personnel to play that system. Without doubt IMO our best formation is 433 and we play it best and control games when Tiote Cabaye and Guthrie are the middle three. It's that simple. Depends on the personnel and the opposition. We tried 433 earlier in the season and we were shite. I think Pardew has said how pleased he is we can switch to and from it at will depending on how things are going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 And re the thread title, anyone who isn't in Team Fucking Orgasmic needs to fuck off and support Sunderland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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