BigWalrus 0 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Our wages are £20m down on what they were in 2007 as wel though. As a percentage of turnover they're down 30% to 60%. The league average is 70% so we're well blow average. We can afford the extra wages. If we want to continue to break even, we can't afford extra wages. We don't have the income to cover it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 If we want to continue to break even, we can't afford extra wages. We don't have the income to cover it. We have more capacity than most. And the new telly deal will only improve that situation next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mincepie 0 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Our wages are £20m down on what they were in 2007 as wel though. As a percentage of turnover they're down 30% to 60%. The league average is 70% so we're well blow average. We can afford the extra wages. Having driven wages down why do you think they will drive them up again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1117 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 People who go on about the extra to spend on the wages of a replacement player (mainly the chairman) conveniently forget about the wages saved from the player that has left. This was particularly annoying when Carroll left and they were keen to take the wages of any new player from the £35m but no mention was ever made of the saving from what they were paying Carroll in the first place. They also talked of the new contract for Tiote as if it was all extra expense. Was he not getting paid anything before that? The money saved from Smith alone in the summer and then Xisco next summer as well as Ba (who given that we got him on a free must have made him one of the top earners at the club) must surely provide a very good starting point for paying for new recruits without driving up our wages to anything near a problem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Having driven wages down why do you think they will drive them up again I don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mincepie 0 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I don't Do you mean they won't ? So if they drove wages down why would they drive them up again ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Do you mean they won't ? So if they drove wages down why would they drive them up again ? They won't. That's what I've said for ages to the people claim Ashley is getting us sorted financially....and then he'll start putting more money in. It's illogical to think he's getting us running at a profit so that he can start putting more money onto the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14918 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 If Ashley wanted to increase wages in the short term he'd have to sell a couple of our best players and replace them with a couple of "steals" in the HBA and Cabaye mould i.e. hugely underpriced top level players. That would be a very dfficult trick to pull off again talent wise, but if theres 20-30 million swimming around (partly) for wages over and above whats in the "spare" wages kitty then he could perhaps pull it off, but I mostly agree with HF that although he could well end up cashing in on our top talent any funds raised are highly unlikely to push the wages cieling higher at NUFC. This is roughly the model Spurs have followed in the last half decade or so, with pretty good results. But as we have seen this season, theres nothing guaranteed in this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mincepie 0 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 They won't. That's what I've said for ages to the people claim Ashley is getting us sorted financially....and then he'll start putting more money in. It's illogical to think he's getting us running at a profit so that he can start putting more money onto the pitch. so who are those on drugs that you say you have been saying that to ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banshee 0 Posted January 9, 2013 Author Share Posted January 9, 2013 (edited) Don't forget wages. Signing 3 players for £3.5m each on wages of £40k a week is more expensive over 5 years than one player of £15m on £60k per week. Wages are almost always ignored - mostly through naivety - but they are usually the biggest factor in deciding whether a deal goes through or not. I was talking about the amount of money, from the transfer budget, we need to spend as a rough guess. I'm not saying we have it or that we'd spend it if we had. I understand that a balance sheet has different sections and that all the money isn't just in a big jar on Pardews desk. We have at least half a dozen players we should shunt out now, the likes of Ranger and Simpson who will never be good enough for our first team on a regular basis. Edited January 9, 2013 by Banshee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mincepie 0 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Don't forget wages. Signing 3 players for £3.5m each on wages of £40k a week is more expensive over 5 years than one player of £15m on £60k per week. Wages are almost always ignored - mostly through naivety - but they are usually the biggest factor in deciding whether a deal goes through or not. Don't forget wages. Signing 3 players for £3.5m each on wages of £40k a week is more expensive over 5 years than one player of £15m on £60k per week. Wages are almost always ignored - mostly through naivety - but they are usually the biggest factor in deciding whether a deal goes through or not. Did Liverpool include the wages for Suarez and Carroll from the sale of Torres? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13915 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Liverpool were bought out by a company far, far richer than us. Did Real Madrid worry about Ronaldo etc etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 so who are those on drugs that you say you have been saying that to ? Many people praise Ashley for the financial stability he has achieved having allowed costs to continue spiralling for a year after his arrival. Either it's supported by people who are happy to accept mediocrity (or worse) or by people deluded enough to think we'll spend what it takes to achieve more despite the last 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeris 0 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) Fuck financial stability if it kills team spirit and individual confidence. We were on to something great last season, and Newcastle doesn't get those chances often these times. We should keep riding the good wave instead of killing the party off like that the shithead did. Why the fuck didn't he sell the club last summer???? Money alone doesn't own every right to a club with such long history, somebody should have the power to force a owner to sell if he can't maintain the fans' and city's ambition. Edited January 10, 2013 by Aeris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Fuck financial stability if it kills team spirit and individual confidence. We were on to something great last season, and Newcastle doesn't get those chances often these times. We should keep riding the good wave instead of killing the party off like that the shithead did. Why the fuck didn't he sell the club last summer???? Don't think he received any offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeris 0 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Don't think he received any offers. But we ended 5th and with plenty of potential...aren't there any rich people up in the north-east with a heart for the club? or maybe an oil shake who supports us?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 20170 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 But we ended 5th and with plenty of potential...aren't there any rich people up in the north-east with a heart for the club? or maybe an oil shake who supports us?... oil shake? like olive oil or sunflower? either way, doesn't sound very tasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeris 0 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 oil shake? like olive oil or sunflower? either way, doesn't sound very tasty shake tiote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banshee 0 Posted January 10, 2013 Author Share Posted January 10, 2013 Fuck financial stability if it kills team spirit and individual confidence. We were on to something great last season, and Newcastle doesn't get those chances often these times. We should keep riding the good wave instead of killing the party off like that the shithead did. Why the fuck didn't he sell the club last summer???? Money alone doesn't own every right to a club with such long history, somebody should have the power to force a owner to sell if he can't maintain the fans' and city's ambition. Somebody like who? Ashley is either hanging onto the club because he's making money or because no one wants to buy it. Either way we're stuck with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) Pretty sure he's not making much off it directly. Edited January 10, 2013 by Monroe Transfer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 6393 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Pretty sure he's not making much off it directly. Nice caveat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mincepie 0 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Many people praise Ashley for the financial stability he has achieved having allowed costs to continue spiralling for a year after his arrival. Either it's supported by people who are happy to accept mediocrity (or worse) or by people deluded enough to think we'll spend what it takes to achieve more despite the last 4 years. So which one of those is it ? Are you on drugs too ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 So which one of those is it ? Are you on drugs too ? It's both. You really have a comprehension problem. and yes. But drugs aren't bad, mmkay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mincepie 0 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 It's both. You really have a comprehension problem. and yes. But drugs aren't bad, mmkay. Drugs are bad and they lead to all sorts of things , moron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Drugs are bad and they lead to all sorts of things , moron dangerous things like a sense of humour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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