Christmas Tree 4005 Posted June 5, 2018 Author Share Posted June 5, 2018 1 hour ago, ewerk said: Why bother with debate and scrutiny at all then? To count the votes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 31010 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 The government riding roughshod over Parliamentary democracy = taking back control Mind, many of the people who voted to give back control to UK politicians took their own pens to the ballot box because the were convinced the same political establishment would alter their ballot papers. So, you know, that's the kind of mentality you're dealing with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14166 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 They need us as much as we need... sorry, hang on, there appears to be some interference on the line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18226 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 And.... Quote But the real show stopper is that, under European law, unless an agreement is reached, there will only be 103 international haulage Permits to cover the 300,000 journeys made by British trucks to Europe each year. The logistics industry is being asked to decide who would get a Permit to Drive if there are not enough to go around – in effect, being asked to destroy the businesses of its international haulage members. Freight trade association says not BAMFU. But what the fuck do they know about logistics? https://fta.co.uk/media/press-releases/2018/june/brexit-britain-on-the-road-to-nowhere-says-fta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 27044 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44377072 Labour once again finding itself absolutely nowhere on Brexit. They want full access to the SM while rejecting freedom of movement knowing full well that there’s no chance that the EU would accept such a proposition. Voting for the EEA amendment was the only hope of retaining full access to the SM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18226 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Fucking hell. You are either in the SM (EEA) or you are out. If you are in, you accept all 4 freedoms including FoM (although there is scope to mitigate this) and fucking pay for it. It's not fucking rocket science. Corbyn is outstandingly thick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 31010 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 The EU are bullying the significantly weaker UK because they need us more than we need them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4981 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 10 hours ago, Renton said: And.... Freight trade association says not BAMFU. But what the fuck do they know about logistics? https://fta.co.uk/media/press-releases/2018/june/brexit-britain-on-the-road-to-nowhere-says-fta That is staggering This cannot happen, clearly. No one will let this happen. It would be an unmitigated disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 17258 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 https://news.sky.com/story/european-businesses-advised-to-avoid-using-british-parts-ahead-of-brexit-11395908 Well done Mackems, this is what you voted for, do you understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4981 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 10 hours ago, Renton said: Fucking hell. You are either in the SM (EEA) or you are out. If you are in, you accept all 4 freedoms including FoM (although there is scope to mitigate this) and fucking pay for it. It's not fucking rocket science. Corbyn is outstandingly thick. It's hard to imagine that the Labour team hasn't sat down and actually realised this as a collective though. It must just be something they're saying because they think it puts pressure on the government. It's still a fucking pathetic strategy though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 27044 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 I can only guess that there's a large element on the shadow cabinet that are shit scared of the electoral repercussions of pushing for EEA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted June 6, 2018 Author Share Posted June 6, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18226 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 (edited) Corbyn knows that the Tory rebels rightly won't back his SM fudge plan. And this gives him excuse to whip the party into abstaining from the meaningful EEA amendment, so that is also doomed. So he gets his hard Brexit. Despite research which shows EEA is by far most people's favoured scenario. I honestly hate Corbyn as much as any of the rest of the fuckers. Destroying our country for party and ideology. Plague on all their houses. Edited June 6, 2018 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 27044 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Labour have pretty much already said that any deal the Tories agree cannot meet their six tests for acceptability which will mean that they vote against the final deal. What happens then? By then it's too late to go back and re-negotiate an entirely new deal with the EU. It's a fucking pointless vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 31010 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 30 minutes ago, Renton said: Corbyn knows that the Tory rebels rightly won't back his SM fudge plan. And this gives him excuse to whip the party into abstaining from the meaningful EEA amendment, so that is also doomed. So he gets his hard Brexit. Despite research which shows EEA is by far most people's favoured scenario. I honestly hate Corbyn as much as any of the rest of the fuckers. Destroying our country for party and ideology. Plague on all their houses. I think this has really shown him up for what he is. A bit of coward, a bit thick and lacking in vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4981 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 44 minutes ago, Alex said: I think this has really shown him up for what he is. A bit of coward, a bit thick and lacking in vision. If what Renton has said is true then he isn't a coward or lacking in vision. He's just got a different vision to us and appears to be determined to see it through. The vision itself is monumentally stupid though, so I agree on the 'thick' part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 31010 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 17 minutes ago, Rayvin said: If what Renton has said is true then he isn't a coward or lacking in vision. He's just got a different vision to us and appears to be determined to see it through. The vision itself is monumentally stupid though, so I agree on the 'thick' part. Well he hasn't had the courage to come out and say he wants and hard Brexit and why. Also, applying your metric, no one lacks vision (which is literally true I suppose) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Just now, Alex said: Well he hasn't had the courage to come out and say he wants and hard Brexit and why. Also, applying your metric, no one lacks vision (which is literally true I suppose) Ray Charles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14166 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Μαντώ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 31010 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, Anorthernsoul said: Ray Charles? Stevie Wonder reckoned the 'visions' on LSD were mint. Hence 'Innervisions'. I'm paraphrasing like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 20 minutes ago, Alex said: Stevie Wonder reckoned the 'visions' on LSD were mint. Hence 'Innervisions'. I'm paraphrasing like My comment was tongue in cheek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 31010 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Anorthernsoul said: My comment was tongue in cheek Nee shit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Alex said: Nee shit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 27044 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 So the UK’s proposal on the Irish backstop is being sent to the EU tonight. The EU has announced plans to reject it in the morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 27044 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 David Davis questioning whether to quit. I doubt whether anyone would notice to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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