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13 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

I also doubt you'll find anyone here who thinks this place is anything other than an echo chamber tbh. And honestly I would prefer a bit more diversity of opinion myself, but I understand that the aggressive nature of the debate on here tends to put people off. So I mean honestly, not really going to disagree with what you've said :lol: 

 

But you have to understand that we've had these debates to death (I mean you know this, you've been in them) and I think the stage we're all at now is that we know our positions on this. You've come in with a stance wherein you've spent a few weeks trying to encourage us to listen to the other side of this, which I think tbf, all of us have done. You'd get more traction if you came in with actual information from the other side, rather than just protesting us calling them stupid.

 

I will gladly discuss, in a charitable way, any detail on most areas of politics. I've watched fucking hundreds of hours of right wing commentators and podcasts, I've been around the block with their views many times. Some of them are reasonable, many of them are disingenuous. But seriously, I'm more than happy to be educated on an alternative viewpoint if it's more logical than my own. I'll even pivot to it if it makes sense.

 

I mean ffs, I spent about two solid days arguing in defence of the Tories over a nursing policy a couple of years back, because I felt that everyone was misinterpreting what they had said. I remember it fondly tbh :D

 

For my part, sorry if anything I've said has bothered you.

 

Stop apologising ffs! Although aye, you can still keep apologising for the nurse fiasco.

 

I've agreed with just about everything you've said today and in this post. From my pov, I'm fucking sick to death of the same old arguments, the sheer ignorance of Brexiteers about trade and regulations, but most of all by constantly having my own views misrepresented. The sam old strawman arguments, whataboutery, and deflections. And the incredible self pity and victimhood displayed by gammons. Its a waste of time and time is a commodity i don't have much of any more. I do however remain interested in how this situation will play out and factual information about it. Brexit is a process, it's never going to be done, and it affects all of us. If queef doesn't like peoplemtalking about it, he knows what to do. 

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6 hours ago, Rayvin said:

 

This is never a good basis for the forming of an opinion. It's the same as when people claim they're note going to vote Labour because people keep calling them stupid. Like, I understand that no one likes to be called stupid, but that's a really idk... insecure way of coming to a political position.

 

Also I mostly just wanted to share that image tbh, apologies if it offended ;) 

I did say partially

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21 minutes ago, ewerk said:

Aye, that’ll sort all the problems. Funny how restaurants are actually having to close rather than do that.

 

:lol: of course offering fair wages won't attract people to the industry. You wouldn't happen to be a business owner would you? How much do you pay staff?

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2 hours ago, TheGingerQuiff said:

I'm the only one with videos, I made sure I let him know as well

:lol: Of course you are. 
 

Billy Big Cock - *whips out phone 

 

Quiffs Ex- “ Mmmfffnnmmmmgh!”

 

Billy Big Cock - “Eh?”

 

Quiffs Ex- * unimpales herself …

” You can’t film us, I promised Quiff that only he would have vids of me”

 

Billy Big Cock- “ Oh, ok”…

*puts cock back in her throat…

“ Smile for the camera”

 

Quffs ex - “ Mmmmmfffnnnghhhnmmm!”

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10 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said:

:lol: nothing gets through on the pregabalin

Nothing gets up either, 

“ Pregabalin Side effects

mood changes

feeling sick

swollen hands, arms, legs and feet

blurred vision

for men, difficulties with getting an erection

 

It’s ok, Pele has your back :banana:


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7 hours ago, TheGingerQuiff said:

 

Easy. I'm sick of the whole carry on and want to see an end game yet all I see is people taking false positions to suit their argument.

For example, perhaps cheap Australian meat will give more impoverished kids access to meat.

But no. I wonder if Renton ever holidayed outside the EU. 

 

Have pulled this back in here because the CV thread isn't the place for it really.

 

See, I can understand that position to a point - but you do seem to be taking a lot of this personally. There's no endgame coming as far as I can tell, this is going to run on for quite some time yet (in my view, generations). And its worth noting that for leavers, this was a 40 year struggle. It's going to be the same the other way around now, I'm almost certain of it. So buckle in for the long term, especially if you're going to be this animated about it.

 

As for false positions, I do feel like there's a big misunderstanding of motive that leavers have when viewing remainers. I want, as I assume the rest of the people here do, what is best for this country. I'm not a farmer or a fisherman, but I still want those industries in this country to succeed. I am proud (or at least was) of the country I was born and raised in, and for me a lot of that came down to our international clout and success - especially when considering how small a country we are. While I wasn't proud of our imperial past, we were transitioning into something positive on the whole. What I see from Brexit is that we are hugely diminished and weakened. I see it as an act of traitors, and I really mean that. None of us have to be farmers to be annoyed that a British industry is going to be hurt by this.

 

Maybe you're right and the cheaper meat will allow impoverished children to afford it. However there's an inevitable standards issue there of course, so we need to look at why the Australians are cheaper. We also need to consider that this will likely cause a race to the bottom within the UK market as our own farmers struggle to compete - meaning a drop in standards for everyone and maybe our farms going out of business, thus impacting our sustainability in any future food crisis.

 

Alternatively we could have more equally distributed resources so that children living in poverty could afford British meat, stayed in the EU, and avoided the drop in standards. I don't personally think Brexit was the answer to that issue, I think a Labour government would have been.

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