Dr Gloom 19844 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Fighting talk You had a couple of beers Rents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26506 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Immigration wasn't damaging the country though, was it? Maybe it's about educating the country, maybe it's about disenfranchising the stupid. I prefer the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 This will cheer you up. Found one of your posts Naturally, I expected Cameron to actually fucking win it - the twat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Although he may yet have kill them, depending how things go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5941 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Fighting talk You had a couple of beers Rents? Red Rents rides again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19844 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Fine writing from Freedland. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/01/boris-johnson-and-michael-gove-betrayed-britain-over-brexit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted July 1, 2016 Author Share Posted July 1, 2016 Immigration wasn't damaging the country though, was it? Maybe it's about educating the country, maybe it's about disenfranchising the stupid. I prefer the latter. For a lot of workers / communities it was. A reserve army of cheap labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17841 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Fighting talk You had a couple of beers Rents? No. Does that really sound like a pissed post to you? Genuinely interested. J69 has been playing the racist card for years now, I'm personally sick of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26506 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 For a lot of workers / communities it was. A reserve army of cheap labour. Which workers / communities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17841 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Immigration wasn't damaging the country though, was it? Maybe it's about educating the country, maybe it's about disenfranchising the stupid. I prefer the latter. Maybe, but I know plenty of people who believe it has, and guess what, they're not racists. Labelling them as such doesn't engender a favourable reaction does it? Ask Gordon Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26506 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 If you believe that immigrants are the problem when they actually aren't then yes, you're a racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17841 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 If you believe that immigrants are the problem when they actually aren't then yes, you're a racist. What the fuck? You really believe that? Incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 (edited) Surely we can agree that many people who believe immigrants are the problem fundamentally believe that they are and that this doesn't necessarily stem from being racist, even though they're likely technically wrong about it? Immigration has kept wages down, there's no argument about that. But it's also hard to argue that immigrants themselves are taking jobs away from British people, isn't it? Edited July 1, 2016 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26506 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 What the fuck? You really believe that? Incredible. People that incorrectly believe that immigrants are one of the UK's main problems are racist. I don't see the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17841 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Surely we can agree that many people who believe immigrants are the problem fundamentally believe that they are and that this doesn't necessarily stem from being racist, even though they're likely technically wrong about it? Immigration has kept wages down, there's no argument about that. But it's also hard to argue that immigrants themselves are taking jobs away from British people, isn't it? Well that's what I think. You'll have to clarify with Ewerk and J69 their position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 People that incorrectly believe that immigrants are one of the UK's main problems are racist. I don't see the problem? They could be misinformed...? Couldn't they? I'm half cut so I'm no longer certain about anything though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17841 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 People that incorrectly believe that immigrants are one of the UK's main problems are racist. I don't see the problem? Honestly? You're equating ignorance of the facts with racism? You're conflating concerns with immigration with racism? I haven't had a drink tonight, have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5941 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 No. Does that really sound like a pissed post to you? Genuinely interested. J69 has been playing the racist card for years now, I'm personally sick of it. You will have to clarify what he racist card is? I'm pretty sure the only time I've ever mentioned racism is when Stevie gives it the old 'All krauts/Jews/Muslims/Aussie's are .....' You've obviously got a chip on your shoulder about immigration. That's your issue, not mine. My post was in response to CT, I didn't even address you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted July 1, 2016 Author Share Posted July 1, 2016 Which workers / communities? I posted this back in the day http://news.sky.com/story/1154577/labour-got-it-wrong-on-immigration Like Brown with Duffy a lot of people ignored it. It's not getting ignored anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17841 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 You will have to clarify what he racist card is? I'm pretty sure the only time I've ever mentioned racism is when Stevie gives it the old 'All krauts/Jews/Muslims/Aussie's are .....' You've obviously got a chip on your shoulder about immigration. That's your issue, not mine. My post was in response to CT, I didn't even address you. I don't have a problem with immigration personally.... Although I guess I do think a net immigration of 300,000 a year isn't sustainable indefinitely. Huh, what do you know, I am a racist after all, according to some people's logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17841 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 I posted this back in the day http://news.sky.com/story/1154577/labour-got-it-wrong-on-immigration Like Brown with Duffy a lot of people ignored it. It's not getting ignored anymore. It was the worst thing Brown ever did. And no, Labour didn't learn from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted July 1, 2016 Author Share Posted July 1, 2016 Racism is being prejudiced about someone due to the colour of their skin. Being concerned about a continuos import of cheap labour and the knock on effect on wages / housing / schooling isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5941 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 You haven't answered how I've been playing the racist card for years? He's got a point. It's ironic that you're nearly in tears cos you've got a seagull stuck in you're chimney but get angry that we let people looking for a better life into the country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5941 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Racism is being prejudiced about someone due to the colour of their skin. Being concerned about a continuos import of cheap labour and the knock on effect on wages / housing / schooling isn't. There's plenty of foreign taxi drivers. Are they cheap labour? If imagine they get the same wages as you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17841 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 You haven't answered how I've been playing the racist card for years? He's got a point. It's ironic that you're nearly in tears cos you've got a seagull stuck in you're chimney but get angry that we let people looking for a better life into the country You accuse people of being racists if they disagree with your narrow point of view. That's what I mean. Like if you criticise a religion, you're racist. If you are concerned about immigration, you're racist. I've not given an opinion on refugees, at least on this thread, as it's irrelevant to our status in the EU. So what's your last sentence supposed to mean? Where is the irony? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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