Rayvin 6643 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Ah so you mean its a strategic failure from a voter attraction position, not that they will actually vote for any of the shit shes saying. Sorry yeah, i guess he's trying to show strength or something but unity might be a better look atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 So the Tories created this mess, are refusing to call an election and are refusing to move on their red lines but expect labour to interact with them to sort it out, when they can simply watch TM unravel as a result of the pickle she's got herself into. Can't blame them really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 19975 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 On 17/01/2019 at 14:49, Dr Gloom said: i still think we're heading for a GE Expand My old mate who I used to play football with is an experienced GE returning officer. He's been emailed asking about his availability on a specific date in the nearish future. Needless to say it's not the date this forum's resident village idiot suggested the other day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 24515 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 On 17/01/2019 at 15:59, ewerk said: There is no legal basis for preventing no deal so why make it a prerequisite for talks? He's a thick fool. Expand i don't disagree he's a fool, but calling on may to rule out a hard brexit as official government policy isn't a bad political manoeuvre. stop using it as an empty threat, get her to give up saying no deal is better than a bad deal. we all know it's bollcocks and we all know she doesn't mean it. lt would spell disaster for the country. politicians of all stripes need to get their heads together to see how they can avert it - it's not a bad place to start negotiations: working out how we can ensure we don't all end queuing for rations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34727 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 On 17/01/2019 at 16:27, TheGingerQuiff said: So the Tories created this mess, are refusing to call an election and are refusing to move on their red lines but expect labour to interact with them to sort it out, when they can simply watch TM unravel as a result of the pickle she's got herself into. Can't blame them really Expand Meanwhile the country falls off a cliff edge. Aye, that's leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34727 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 On 17/01/2019 at 16:29, Dr Gloom said: i don't disagree he's a fool, but calling on may to rule out a hard brexit as official government policy isn't a bad political manoeuvre. stop using it as an empty threat, get her to give up saying no deal is better than a bad deal. we all know it's bollcocks and we all know she doesn't mean it. lt would spell disaster for the country. politicians of all stripes need to get their heads together to see how they can avert it - it's not a bad place to start negotiations: working out how we can ensure we don't all end queuing for rations. Expand Hard Brexit isn't government policy. It's the default situation. You start negotiations by sitting down together, not by making pre-talks demands. He can meet with her for an hour and come out and say it's been a waste of time and call it a win. He's made this rod for his own back whereby he's looking like shirking any of the responsibility that comes with being LOTO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 On 17/01/2019 at 16:31, ewerk said: Meanwhile the country falls off a cliff edge. Aye, that's leadership. Expand Won't happen though. She'd surely lose a vote of no confidence if no deal ever got near reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34727 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I would say it's far from sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 On 17/01/2019 at 16:34, ewerk said: Hard Brexit isn't government policy. It's the default situation. You start negotiations by sitting down together, not by making pre-talks demands. He can meet with her for an hour and come out and say it's been a waste of time and call it a win. He's made this rod for his own back whereby he's looking like shirking any of the responsibility that comes with being LOTO. Expand Given it's already emerged that she's unwilling to move on basically everything I think it's safe to assume that it was a waste of time. He's called it a stunt and he's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 24515 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) On 17/01/2019 at 16:34, ewerk said: Hard Brexit isn't government policy. It's the default situation. You start negotiations by sitting down together, not by making pre-talks demands. He can meet with her for an hour and come out and say it's been a waste of time and call it a win. He's made this rod for his own back whereby he's looking like shirking any of the responsibility that comes with being LOTO. Expand she can commit to legislating to revoke A50 if no deal is reached? she won't of course. but that's the legal way to bypass the default endgame. that or a PV, which she won't commit to either Edited January 17, 2019 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 24515 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 On 17/01/2019 at 16:41, ewerk said: I would say it's far from sure. Expand neither side want it, it would be against uk and eu countries' interests. it won't be allowed to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34727 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 On 17/01/2019 at 16:41, TheGingerQuiff said: Given it's already emerged that she's unwilling to move on basically everything I think it's safe to assume that it was a waste of time. He's called it a stunt and he's right. Expand It's a stunt and he's fully supported her in it. What looks better to the average man in the street? Corbyn refusing to meet the Prime Minister during the nation's biggest crisis in generations or him walking out of No.10 saying that he's given it a go but it's the PM who's being obstinate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6643 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 On 17/01/2019 at 16:46, ewerk said: It's a stunt and he's fully supported her in it. What looks better to the average man in the street? Corbyn refusing to meet the Prime Minister during the nation's biggest crisis in generations or him walking out of No.10 saying that he's given it a go but it's the PM who's being obstinate? Expand No one would believe him anyway tbf. The press would still trash him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34727 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 On 17/01/2019 at 16:47, Rayvin said: No one would believe him anyway tbf. The press would still trash him. Expand Nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 On 17/01/2019 at 16:46, ewerk said: It's a stunt and he's fully supported her in it. What looks better to the average man in the street? Corbyn refusing to meet the Prime Minister during the nation's biggest crisis in generations or him walking out of No.10 saying that he's given it a go but it's the PM who's being obstinate? Expand I think even the man in the street will see who's responsible for this when the shit hits the fan. It's not like the Daily Mail would have been heaping praise on him if he'd attended anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 24515 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 On 17/01/2019 at 16:48, ewerk said: Nonsense. Expand is it? it's not like he has many supporters in the dreaded MSM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34727 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 No. While they aren't big fans of him, The Sun, The Times and Mail all are portraying him as a coward on their front pages this morning. He could have avoided that and put the focus squarely on May by just meeting her. It wasn't much to ask and he has brought the criticism on him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6643 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 It doesnt change anything material about Brexit anyway even if he has. If we got an election then maybe but with his current policy position even i wouldn't vote for him so he's fucked anyway on that front. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 24515 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 The sun and mail are never going to spin anything he does positively man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 38171 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 On 17/01/2019 at 14:35, Howmanheyman said: Some of the people I work with, (blancmange for brains) will never vote labour with corbyn as he's a terrorist sympathiser and they're leave voters, (or didn't vote but if had've it would've been leave because immigration). One likes Trump as well. Thick. As. Fuck. Expand I also think some people play the contrarian in lieu of having anything interesting or intelligent to say. Remind you of anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 24515 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Even if they did meet I doubt anything would change. Neither May nor Corbyn have the political skill or pragmatism to compromise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 12412 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Bit harsh like 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 24515 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 An interesting alternative take Only a rupture with the EU will alter the failed status quo https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/17/rupture-eu-brexit-reform?CMP=share_btn_tw @rayvin - would the disruption to the neoliberal status quo be the one straw to clutch at if we end up with a hard brexit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 38171 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I think anyone thinking shit can only get better wants to have a quick perusal of the history of the twentieth century. The Guardian can, quite frankly, fuck off. Most of its output does the left more harm than good 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 38171 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 And yes, that is a freshly made espresso I’m drinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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